[MD] Uncertainty

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Platt]
Seems you believe existence depends on human perception, i.e., the 
moon is not there when nobody looks. Shades of 18th century Bishop Berkeley.

[Arlo]
I have no idea how you got this from what I said. I said simply, 
"human perception will not be around forever". How on earth can I, a 
human, perceive what will or will not be when there is no human perception?

[Platt]
I find it hard to get past profound incoherence.

[Arlo]
Yeah, Pirsig can seem this way for some. "All this is just an 
analogy"... very "profound" indeed, "incoherent"? Not so much for me...

[Platt]
Is it possible to conceptualize in something other than symbols?

[Arlo]
That's redundant. Conceptualization is the manipulation/creation of symbols.

[Platt]
Between us another permanent disagreement. (Pun intended)

[Arlo]
So you believe time IS permanent? I'm reminded of a passage from that 
profoundly incoherent author's book, ZMM, about thinking about how 
"the law of gravity" existed before the cosmos, before anything, just 
floating there, with nothing to apply itself to because there was 
nothing... just "time", sitting there all by its lonesome...