[MD] MOQ Recursion

[MarshaV]

Hi Arlo,

For me the MoQ is Reality = Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience,) 
nothing more.    


Marsha





On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:04 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Arlo had asked]
> If it is not an inorganic or biological or social or intellectual pattern of
> value, what is it?
> 
> [Bo]
> "It" is probably the MOQ. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> So the "inorganic level" is NOT a "pattern of value" at all? Or is it another
> kind, a new kind, of pattern of value?
> 
> [Bo]
> And Mary had replied A pattern of values is exactly that - a pattern of values.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Which ought to be plain enough. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Oh gee. Duh. So when I ask what kind of "pattern of value" it is, and the reply
> is "its a pattern of values", you think that is an answer?
> 
> What if I asked, "according to the MOQ, what kind of pattern of value is a
> rock?", and Mary answered "its a pattern of values", you think that has
> explanatory power?? 
> 
> [Bo]
> The inorganic level is just what it says: a level. What kind of nonsense is
> this? 
> 
> [Arlo]
> So the "levels" are NOT patterns of value at all? You are saying that,
> according to the MOQ, there is DQ/SQ/Levels?
> 
> [Bo]
> The MOQ is out of SOM - of intellect 
> 
> [Arlo]
> So the "levels" are patterns of value of a new, higher, level above intellect?
> 
> [Bo]
> ...it's just the "embers" of intellect to ask like Arlo does what the various
> levels' or patterns' "nature" is. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Yeah, I know, the best way to avoid a question is to claim "its SOM!". The
> Great Ostrich move, I get it.
> 
> [Bo]
> The MOQ is the DQ/SQ metaphysics. Full stop!  
> 
> [Arlo]
> So the MOQ is not a "pattern of value" at all? How does something exist,
> according to the MOQ, if it is not a "pattern of value"?
> 
> But move away from "the MOQ" (we'll get there), and go back to just "the
> inorganic level". Are you saying that "levels" are NOT patterns of value at
> all? 
> 
> According to the MOQ, everything except DQ is a "pattern of value", in fact
> "SQ" is restatable as "patterns of value". If everything is SQ(patterns of
> value) except DQ, then where are these "levels" that are not patterns of value?
> 
> Time for another Great Ostrich?
> 
> 
> 
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