[MD] MOQ Recursion

[MarshaV]

Greetings again Arlo,

Once I start to define or analyze the MoQ I've dropped squarely into the 
Intellectual Level.  


Marsha   






On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:36 AM, MarshaV wrote:

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> Hi Arlo,
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> For me the MoQ is Reality = Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience,) 
> nothing more.    
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> Marsha
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> On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:04 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:
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>> [Arlo had asked]
>> If it is not an inorganic or biological or social or intellectual pattern of
>> value, what is it?
>> 
>> [Bo]
>> "It" is probably the MOQ. 
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> So the "inorganic level" is NOT a "pattern of value" at all? Or is it another
>> kind, a new kind, of pattern of value?
>> 
>> [Bo]
>> And Mary had replied A pattern of values is exactly that - a pattern of values.
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> Which ought to be plain enough. 
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>> [Arlo]
>> Oh gee. Duh. So when I ask what kind of "pattern of value" it is, and the reply
>> is "its a pattern of values", you think that is an answer?
>> 
>> What if I asked, "according to the MOQ, what kind of pattern of value is a
>> rock?", and Mary answered "its a pattern of values", you think that has
>> explanatory power?? 
>> 
>> [Bo]
>> The inorganic level is just what it says: a level. What kind of nonsense is
>> this? 
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> So the "levels" are NOT patterns of value at all? You are saying that,
>> according to the MOQ, there is DQ/SQ/Levels?
>> 
>> [Bo]
>> The MOQ is out of SOM - of intellect 
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>> [Arlo]
>> So the "levels" are patterns of value of a new, higher, level above intellect?
>> 
>> [Bo]
>> ...it's just the "embers" of intellect to ask like Arlo does what the various
>> levels' or patterns' "nature" is. 
>> 
>> [Arlo]
>> Yeah, I know, the best way to avoid a question is to claim "its SOM!". The
>> Great Ostrich move, I get it.
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>> [Bo]
>> The MOQ is the DQ/SQ metaphysics. Full stop!  
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>> [Arlo]
>> So the MOQ is not a "pattern of value" at all? How does something exist,
>> according to the MOQ, if it is not a "pattern of value"?
>> 
>> But move away from "the MOQ" (we'll get there), and go back to just "the
>> inorganic level". Are you saying that "levels" are NOT patterns of value at
>> all? 
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>> According to the MOQ, everything except DQ is a "pattern of value", in fact
>> "SQ" is restatable as "patterns of value". If everything is SQ(patterns of
>> value) except DQ, then where are these "levels" that are not patterns of value?
>> 
>> Time for another Great Ostrich?
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