[MD] MOQ Recursion

[MarshaV]

On Aug 9, 2010, at 11:37 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote:

> [Marsha]
> A metaphysics is the study of the nature of reality. 
> 
> [Arlo]
> Right. It is an attempt to describe (intellectual patterns of value) the
> "nature of reality". A "metaphysics" is a description of nature, it does not
> precede definition and analysis, it IS definition and analysis.

The MoQ represents a specific metaphysics.   


> 
> [Marsha]
> Once it has been determined that the nature of reality is Quality, then yes,
> 'The Metaphysics of Quality' denotes Reality equals Quality (DQ/sq).
> 
> [Arlo]
> Right. This was the intellectual "denoting" that Pirsig authored. "The
> Metaphysics of Quality" does not "denote" anything, such anthropomorphic
> objectivising turns the Word into the God, like saying "The Bible says..." (the
> Bible "says" nothing, the people who wrote the chapters did the "saying").

Marsha:
I reject your biblical analogies.  For me, the Metaphysics of Quality denotes
Reality equals Quality(DQ/sq), it's an understanding that produces a sweet 
harmony.  


> I don't usually mind such use of narrative genre, but in this case I think it
> creates a huge stumbling block for the SOL crowd. 

What you mind or don't mind should matter to me how?  


> 
> So to be clear, Robert Pirsig speculated that Reality equals Quality. His
> metaphysics is an intellectual pattern that attempts to describe this in such a
> way as to point towards the indefinable source rather than obscure it. 

Do we need to go back to your statements that all is analogy?  The analogies
you prefer are not more real than mine.  We can reject them all to go to the 
state of 'not this, not that' if you'd like. 



> Again, it is a Metaphysics (defining and analysis) of Quality (the indefinable
> nature of reality).

Again, for me, the MoQ denotes Reality equals Quality(Dynamic Quallity/static quality (inorganic, biological, social & intellectual))



> Pirsig's metaphysics is slicing and dicing of Quality, it does not precede such
> analysis, it is the result of it.

Yes, because we are suspended in language RMP used patterns of the intellectual 
variety to explain the MoQ.  







 
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