[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[MarshaV]

On Aug 21, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Krimel wrote:

> [Marsha]
> Soft spot for the underdog?  
> 
> [Krimel]
> So you do have the soft post right? Or are you just being contrary?
> 
> [Marsha]
> Between you and Dave Thomas, it is Mr. Pirsig who seems the underdog...
> 
> [Krimel]
> As an equal opportunity snark slinger let me point out that DT was ready to
> throw Pirsig under the bus and chuck the whole thing. I have at least
> offered suggestions which I think are consistent, if not with some Pirsig's
> specifics, at least aimed in the direction of the moon toward which he
> points. To whit:
> 
> 1. Shit Happens. 
> 2. Quality is Chaos
> 3. Quality (Chaos) has two aspects DQ (uncertainty) SQ (certainty) 
> 4. Value (meaning) is reduction of uncertainty.  
>   (That is, meaning results from and results in,  
>   our ability to create and manipulate static quality) 
> 5. Biological organisms are the meaning (SQ) that evolution  
>   derives from chaos. 
> 6. As such organisms, we create SQ from the DQ around us or to use 
>   James' terms, we derive concepts from experience
> 
> Or this one: Pirsig's real contribution could be taken as synthesizing
> Darwin and Lao Tsu. Much of my vitriol arises from the realization that he
> or at least his apologists don't quite seem to get either of them right.

Marsha:
The MoQ is based on Darwin and the Tao?  Anyone besides you think 
that this is so?  First, evolution has changed considerably since the days 
of Darwin's publications, and the evolution of species is quite different than 
the evolution of static patterns.  Second, RMP has equated the MoQ as 
much with Buddhism (Emptiness/conventional reality) as with the Tao, 
more in fact. RMP does not mention any relationship between yin/yang 
and the MoQ.  And a thorough study of the correlation between the Tao's 
good and the MoQ's good has not yet been firmly established, while the 
relationship between Emptiness(Nothingness) and DQ has been clearly 
stated.  And to my mind, a moving away from suffering is a move towards 
betterment.   

While I find your 6-point MoQ interpretation interesting, it represents 
only your opinion and nothing more.  

> 
> [Marsha]
> ...I gladly whip the both of you if you were before me. 
> 
> [Krimel]
> If you could provide maybe a few details on how you would go about this, I
> might actually be interested, Mistress.

You are sooooo fresh!!!  


Marsha  

 
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