[MD] Speed of Lighting, Roar of thunder...

[MarshaV]

"Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight 
Red is grey and yellow white 
But we decide which is right 

And which is an illusion"




On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> Sarcasm 1 Content 0 ?
> 
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, and:  Nice try.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:16 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ah well, it's Ian who decides when an issue is too contentious
>>> to consider a wikipedia quote.
>>> 
>>> So all I have to say is:  that's interesting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Marsha asked of Krim ...
>>>> 
>>>>> The MoQ is based on Darwin and the Tao?  Anyone besides you think
>>>>> that this is so?
>>>> 
>>>> [IG] Yes, clearly.
>>>> 
>>>>> First, evolution has changed considerably since the days
>>>>> of Darwin's publications, and the evolution of species is quite different than
>>>>> the evolution of static patterns.
>>>> 
>>>> [IG] Clearly again, the model of evolution has itself evolved as both
>>>> Darwin and Pirsig would predict and continues to do so. I see no
>>>> difference in the evolutionary processes .... I regularly use the word
>>>> "species" to denote any static pattern. Species are "special" in the
>>>> sense of being distinct, long-lived over multiple generations, and
>>>> therefore self-sustaining, repairing / reproducing over many
>>>> generations .... in all levels above the organic (not just
>>>> biological).
>>>> 
>>>> Clearly Darwin didn't have the benefit of  a Taoist monism at the
>>>> heart of his thinking .... GOF phyisicalist scientific objectivism
>>>> only .... but see above. Neither Darwin nor Pirsig, nor any of us
>>>> (their interpreters) have it 100% right, that would be terminal. I
>>>> tend to be less critical of that fact, but I wouldn't argue for
>>>> perfection.
>>>> 
>>>> Ian
>>> 
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