[MD] Social level for humans only

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

Hence the reason why som cannot be the perfect umbrella for the intellectual
level?

2010/8/27 David Thomas <combinedefforts at earthlink.net>

> Andrie, Krimel, All,
>
> And this all ties in quite nicely with the section of Chalmers I'm reading.
> He is making the point that in trying to understand how "consciousness"
> might emerge and/or work that thinking at the level of the brain split into
> self/other, inside/outside, subject/object is way, way, too coarse of a
> distinction to understand cognitive processes of interrelationships and
> dependencies. Hence the reason why SOM was doomed to failure from the
> start.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 8/27/10 11:15 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago,
> > But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago,
> > about intellect in
> > Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some
> > evidence of my earlier statement that
> > the intellect in animals differs from zero--
> > In that specific link, one was able to read  that the brain of some
> squids
> > is different from other brains , in so far , that
> > parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural
> cell's
> > are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods.
> > Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's.
> > But of course , this only appears to be so.
> > nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated
> neurons
> > in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for
> > touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of
> the
> > brain..try to imagine the implications.
> >
> > cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info
> ,
> > like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph....
> > good , aint it?
> > And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out ,
> in
> > evolution.
> >
> > If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it.
> >
> >
> > 2010/8/27 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>
> >
> >> Dave and Adrie,
> >> Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an
> >> extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy
> and
> >> how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They
> >> highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately
> as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet
> >> another
> >> example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and
> >> yet
> >> heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes".
> >>
> >> A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious
> >> processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the
> >> whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight
> and
> >> sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments.
> >>
> >> Krimel
> >> --------------------------------------
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David Thomas [mailto:combinedefforts at earthlink.net]
> >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM
> >> To: MoQ
> >> Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only
> >>
> >> On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> [Adrie said]
> >>> There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are
> >> called
> >>> "mirror neurons"
> >>> It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this
> >>> mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously
> >>> and fast if a behaviour is observed.i  was aware of it briefly.
> >>
> >> Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite
> nicely
> >> with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in
> >> intellectual development as language.
> >>
> >> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
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