[MD] Social level for humans only

[MarshaV]

Chalmers is now the first and last word on everything MoQ and SOM.  Do none of 
you understand patterns?  


 
 

On Aug 27, 2010, at 12:52 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> Hence the reason why som cannot be the perfect umbrella for the intellectual
> level?
> 
> 2010/8/27 David Thomas <combinedefforts at earthlink.net>
> 
>> Andrie, Krimel, All,
>> 
>> And this all ties in quite nicely with the section of Chalmers I'm reading.
>> He is making the point that in trying to understand how "consciousness"
>> might emerge and/or work that thinking at the level of the brain split into
>> self/other, inside/outside, subject/object is way, way, too coarse of a
>> distinction to understand cognitive processes of interrelationships and
>> dependencies. Hence the reason why SOM was doomed to failure from the
>> start.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/27/10 11:15 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, Krimel_o,probably it passed by the MoQ-ers eye's some time ago,
>>> But in an interaction with Arlo , i launched a link once , some time ago,
>>> about intellect in
>>> Cephalopods , Squids so to speak, the complete group;..to provide some
>>> evidence of my earlier statement that
>>> the intellect in animals differs from zero--
>>> In that specific link, one was able to read  that the brain of some
>> squids
>>> is different from other brains , in so far , that
>>> parts of the neural network , part of the brain, part of the neural
>> cell's
>>> are in fact residing in the arms of the cephalopods.
>>> Strangely they seem to be there as stand alone entity's.
>>> But of course , this only appears to be so.
>>> nobody knows until today what the function is of this differentiated
>> neurons
>>> in the arms, but if they are having a mirror function for
>>> touch and recognition, then this points out towards intellect outside of
>> the
>>> brain..try to imagine the implications.
>>> 
>>> cephalopods owning a handshake verification-protokol that exchanges info
>> ,
>>> like a personal area network., interacting with other ceph....
>>> good , aint it?
>>> And BTW, newly discovered is always controversial, as Darwin found out ,
>> in
>>> evolution.
>>> 
>>> If i stumble upon the link again i will relaunch it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2010/8/27 Krimel <Krimel at krimel.com>
>>> 
>>>> Dave and Adrie,
>>>> Mirror neurons are new and slightly controversial but it is an
>>>> extraordinarily interesting idea. It helps explain for example empathy
>> and
>>>> how 30 min. old newborns can imitate adult facial expressions. They
>>>> highlight several problems that have been kicking around the MoQ lately
>> as
>>>> well.
>>>> 
>>>> First is the idea that consciousness is king. Mirror neurons are yet
>>>> another
>>>> example of a non-conscious process taking place outside of awareness and
>>>> yet
>>>> heavily influence both our behavior and our "attitudes".
>>>> 
>>>> A second interesting point is that they show how memory and conscious
>>>> processes are not just restricted to the brain. As James points out the
>>>> whole body is involved. Our memories are not recorded simply as sight
>> and
>>>> sound but as physical sensation and emotional commitments.
>>>> 
>>>> Krimel
>>>> --------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: David Thomas [mailto:combinedefforts at earthlink.net]
>>>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 11:33 AM
>>>> To: MoQ
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Social level for humans only
>>>> 
>>>> On 8/27/10 10:04 AM, "ADRIE KINTZIGER" <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> [Adrie said]
>>>>> There is a lot to find i think on wiki-- The triggering switches are
>>>> called
>>>>> "mirror neurons"
>>>>> It is still terra incognita for most part, everybody seems to have this
>>>>> mirror neurons, they fire simultaniously
>>>>> and fast if a behaviour is observed.i  was aware of it briefly.
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah this is a nice piece on the implications which correlates quite
>> nicely
>>>> with my theory that "designing" may have been as or more fundamental in
>>>> intellectual development as language.
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/ramachandran/ramachandran_index.html
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
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