[MD] Stuck on a Torn Slot

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Hi Arlo,

This is a tricky slope you are on.  My contention is that rape is a
social construct, you agree with this.  Rape does not exist at the
biological level, so there is nothing to control there.  You propose
that to rape is a biological urge.  I would say, that this is a social
urge.  It is imparted by the laws of society.  I think your assumption
is that if a law is made by a society, then a transgression is a
biological function.  This does not stand in the face of logic.  One
is projecting societal rules into biological urges.

Let's use another example to get away from the emotional aspects of
rape and murder.  How about traffic signals?  If somebody runs a
traffic signal, is this due to a biological urge or an intellectual
one.  Certainly you have seen migrations on the African Savanna.  Is
there a need for traffic lights there?  The rules of the road in
society are to allow society to function more effectively, not to
suppress biological urges.  They are rules made by society to fulfill
societal needs, not to suppress biological ones.

I brought up the inorganic to biological example.  Is the biological
meant to control the inorganic?  The biological cannot do anything
that the inorganic prohibits, so isn't it the other way around.  The
way I see it, is the levels get more and more simple and rigid as we
go up.  The intellect is no match for the billions of neuronal
synapses in the brain, and all the chemicals flowing around.  Does
this simplification come through control?  Well it would seem from
recent posts on pre-intellectual dynamic Quality that this is not the
case.  We choose what is useful and go with it.  This would be the
transitions between the levels, a reduction in information, not a
control over it.

The inorganic is highly complex, the biological decreases this
complexity, and the social is nothing compared to the complexity of a
human body.  The intellect is simpler still.  So we cannot define the
transition in levels as one of control.  They are different levels of
consciousness.

As usual, just MHO,
Mark

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:44 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
> [Mark to Horse]
> Rape and murder do not exists at the biological level, only at the social.  As
> such, the social level is controlling the social level.  I don't know how else
> to say this.
>
> [Arlo jumps in]
> I'd say that "rape" is a social level pattern used to control "sex" which is a
> biological pattern.
>
> You're right, Mark, a dog is incapable of "rape" because rape is defined at the
> social level, but it is a definition whose purpose is to regulate and control
> biological patterns. Rape stigma is a social pattern controlling (or trying to)
> your body's biological urges in response to DQ.
>
> So I think Horse's initial question still stands.
>
> Just as an aside, I said "rape stigma" because I think social level dominance
> of sex in this way was enforced with raw power (stoning, beating, branding,
> etc.) more out of the concept of "owning" women then protecting them.
>
> "Rape laws", on the other hand, as defined and negotiated through the court
> system I would say are intellectual patterns (alongside free speech is your
> freedom to choose your sexual partners) controlling the social rape stigma
> patterns which control the biological patterns of sex.
>
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