[MD] Sex, Rape and Law in a MOQ

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Mark]
I can see that we are at an impasse here.  What I am suggesting is to look at
things through the view of Quality, not Western logic.

[Arlo]
This is precisely what I've done, and I'm not sure how better to say this.

Sex = Biological pattern.

"Rape stigma" = Social patterns. (often conflates shame and humiliation- and
punishment- on both the aggressor and the victim as a means of controlling what
it sees as a sexual (albeit deviant) act)

Rape laws = Intellectual patterns. (controls the social patterns by defining
the act as one of violence, removes shame and humiliation from the victim, and
is based on the idea that each individual has a "right" to control their bodies)

Each is put into place to dominate the level beneath it.

You are right, "rape law" has nothing to do with the biological urge for sex. I
never once said it did, so who are you arguing with?

"Rape laws" were enacted to dominate the social practices of controlling sex
(biological patterns) via stigma, beatings, shame, humiliation, etc, that were
more about viewing women as the property of their husbands (social level) than
preserving the freedom to control their bodies (intellectual level). (I think
this is evident very strongly in the fact that until very recently, a husband
could not "rape" his wife).

On the biological level, "sex" is a pattern of Quality, a response of the
organism to its environment. On the social level, women became the property of
men and "rape" was seen as property theft, and social patterns dealt harshly
with sex that met this definition. On the intellectual level, rape laws were
enacted to control the social patterns and to define the "freedom" people have
to control their own bodies.

I think you could also argue that the social response sees this act as "sex"
(deviant sex, or unsolicited sex) and a large part of the stigma is to protect
the woman or man from social shame and humiliation, whereas the intellectual
level sees the act as violence and has moved to control the social patterns of
"forcing shame" surrounding this event.

I think you can clearly see this in other cultures when a raped person is
ostracized, in some places expected to take thier own life to preserve the
honor of their family, or treated as though they ought to be ashamed forever of
what had happened (rape stigma). 

The intellectual level has sought to dominate this, by defining the act as one
of violence (not sex) for which the victim should have no shame (rape laws).

PS: I've changed the topic thread since this has moved into its own topic.