[MD] Galileo and the church

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Hi Adrie,

Wow, that is a lot of government work!  Do you think that is
appropriate, or should the factory worker have to put more time in to
supporting the government?  Originally in the US the government was
meant to provide us liberty so pursue our dreams, thus the bill of
rights was introduced to decrease government intervention into private
lives.  Now, rights are thought of as the right to have what everyone
wants.

Europe is where the US is heading right now, we are on path to become
just like France.  I suppose this is all part of the decline of
empires.  The same thing happened in Rome as well.  The government
became autocratic, and democracy disappeared.  I read that it was
pretty fun during the Roman decline however, morals (Quality) went out
the door.  Something to look forward to.

China will rise right at the time when the internet is connecting
everybody together.  They will be the first true super power of the
world.  Europe and the US were just a little bit early in this.  Time
to learn chinese I suppose.

Cheers,
Mark

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Quote Mark.
> and I already work for the government
> about 5 months out of the year.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> A factoryworker here works about the first 6.5 months a year
> for taxes only, 54% tax on salary.
> On the restamount for the next period, there is an aftertax.
>
> 2010/12/12 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I sent my daughter off to Duke University in the US last year.  Hate
>> to tell you how much that is costing.  Quite a bit more than 11K
>> Euros.  We are receiving some private funding, since the college has
>> lots of tobacco money.  Didn't want federal funding because then we
>> would be indentured to the Gov, and I already work for the government
>> about 5 months out of the year.  Still, It is costing us more than 11K
>> per year.  This is the American way.  Consider yourselves lucky over
>> there.  Spoiled maybe?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>> > Hi Adrie
>> >
>> > The 11K Euros (9K Sterling) is the highest figure that can or will be
>> > charged by the 'top' Universities and yes this is an annual fee. It is
>> also
>> > in addition to housing, food etc. So if you're at one of the Cambridge or
>> > Oxford colleges, maybe Imperial College London or one of a number of
>> other
>> > Universities, you're yearly education is like y to be around 15-20K
>> > Sterling.
>> > So very few working class students (younger or mature) or even middle
>> class
>> > students will be able to afford this unless they get a bursary - which is
>> > still unlikely to cover all their fees.
>> >
>> > The stupidity of this is that there used to be other institutions
>> > (Polytechnics etc.) that provided degrees and higher education but have
>> now
>> > all been turned into Universities. The reason Polytechnics and the rest
>> were
>> > turned into Universities is because they were funded at a lower level -
>> some
>> > of the funding coming from industry. Once the Polytechnics became
>> > Universities the government cut the funding to the original Universities
>> (to
>> > the same level as the Polytechnics) and then insisted that they charged
>> fees
>> > where no fees had existed before! Either at Polytechnics or Universities.
>> >
>> > Additionally, because of political interference in pre-University
>> education
>> > - i.e. schools - and the dumbing down of the education process, including
>> > that at many Universities , kids now need to go to University in order to
>> > achieve the same educational standard as they previously got at school.
>> >
>> > No wonder then, that they and many others are severely pissed off!
>> >
>> > Horse
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12/12/2010 16:06, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> Been watching these events,what surprised me the most is the amount
>> >> of money they are speaking about, for students.
>> >> They spoke of about 11.000 euro admissionfee, ...dunno, is this annual?
>> >>
>> >> I think this is totally out of correct proportion.
>> >> How on earth are working class children going to pay for this?
>> >>
>> >> Greetzz, Adrie
>> >>
>> >
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