[MD] Thus spoke Lila

[MarshaV]

On Dec 15, 2010, at 6:14 AM, rapsncows at fastmail.fm wrote:

> Mark, (Marsha)
> 
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 17:14:57 -0800, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> said:
>> Hi Marsha,
>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> I so agree.   You know it,  but not by words, and it's why I told Tim I
>>> have been reconsidering 'spiritual' and 'faith' in terms of heart.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
>> 
>> [Mark]
>> Hearts and minds is a good way to put the distinction between DQ and SQ.
>> 
>>> 
> 
> [Tim]
> hmmm, I have an 'analogy', and I think this is a time when even I, who
> does not so much like the over-use of that word, should use it too.
> 
> real quick, first, 'hearts and minds' is a term, like 'faithe', for
> which I am overcoming an aversion.  So, while I agree that it is a fine
> term, now, I also think using it 'publicly' could lead to a lot of
> confusion.  whatevs.  But, I, like John - and I saw that he addressed
> this just today,  or probably now yesterday - see 'hearts' as being part
> of the intellectual level.
> 
> Intelligence is a balance of the heart, (anything else?), and the mind
> (coin flip to determine the order ... the cold and the hot; though I
> don't know that that makes it a lukewarm!).  Perhaps I might suggest
> that the romantic/classic is within the intellectual level (like SOM). 
> DQ is still there, not quite comprehensible. Mystical. Spiritual.  I
> have been using faithe as the verb for: me surviving that, in tact.
> 
> My analogy: you bring your I, everything that you might be able to
> describe, or sense, up to the door of DQ; I will denote this half
> pictorially here: '>'.  All this gets merged into a 'simple' choice.
> With this choice I will it to be so: '+'.  This willful choice is,
> somehow, empowered to be real amongst the other I's; and, in order for
> all these 'I' not to ruin it in the meantime; and in order that they can
> be preserved through the intertwining that is necessary; it is by
> 'faitheing' that I make it through DQ: '--'.  I guess this might be the
> threshold of the door way, for the sake of the analogy.  On the edge of
> the new room, another willful decision is required, take stock of the
> repercussions of the willful choice to go through that doorway.  What do
> you choose to observe?: '+'.  With this, then, you can update your
> intelligence: '<'.  Of course 'update' happens in the uttter present of
> DQ too.  And all this happens so dang fast.  Etc. And etc
> 
> Anyway, this is what the analogy looks like in a picture: 
> 
> 
>> +--+<
> 
> 
> Tim




Greetings Tim,

I would think that heart in connection with DQ would be beyond all 
static patterned boundaries.  Yet as DQ is always present whether it
is, to a greater or lesser degree, acknowledged.  

The definition and connotations of the word 'heart' have me at the 
moment stumped, but regardless, it instinctually seems a good direction.  
There is that awesome experience of having your "heart" expand...  

heart=biological
spirit=subjective   

???  

Marsha
 
 
 


 
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