[MD] Intellectual honesty

[Dan Glover]

Hello everyone

On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 6:43 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Dan,
>
>
>
>> That's what gets me riled. One comment. How dismissive. I worked on
>> that manuscript for thousands of hours. And you're going to dismiss it
>> all. Well fuck you very much. That's all I can say.
>>
>> Very low quality indeed.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
> Well one thing I've noticed about you Dan, is that you do seem to get riled
> easily.  I respect that.  I'll tell you straight up, if the tenure issue
> ever came up,  you'd get my vote straight off.  You've definitely earned it.

Dan:

Hi John
I tend to speak my mind, if that's what you mean.

>John:
> I agree that Bo is off-base.  I agree he doesn't deserve tenure and oughta
> be held to account by those who do hold tenure.  I'm  thinking lately that
> that group ought to be bigger than one Horse.  I think it oughta include
> Platt and Marsha, as well as you and Ron and Horse and others. at the
> minimum and I think any such action as "banning" ought to be by consensus,
> and since Platt and Marsha take Bo's side on this, I don't think Bo should
> be banned now.

Dan:
I never thought Bo should be banned. But I appreciate what Horse is
saying too. It is not about the SOL being right or wrong, which is
what Mary seems to think. It is about taking someone's work and
denigrating it to the point it is no longer their work, and then
claiming that that is what they really meant.

Please.

If Robert Pirsig meant the intellectual level of the MOQ to be
synonymous with SOM, he'd of said so outright. The conclusions the SOL
lead to are illogical in the context of the MOQ. Period. And to
repeatedly claim that Robert Pirsig REALLY meant to say SOL equals
intellect is simply dishonest.

Horse does a fantastic job, in my opinion. I can think of no one better.

>John:
> But as far as arguing for intellectual level = SOM, I'm sticking to my guns
> and saying that's a terrible idea and an illogical formulation.  But I go
> one step further and describe the 4th level of patterned being as a
> composite of classic/romantic; yin/yang; science/art that represent's man's
> abstracted evolutionary understanding of reality with SOM being just one
> patterns within that level, and a minor branch of the classic side of the
> level.

Dan:
I tend to think of intellect as just thinking. But I am just a simple man.

Thank you,

Dan