[MD] Levels in electronic computers

[david buchanan]

Krimel said:
 ... If you mean "overcome" in some obscure Aikido sense; sure; as in we "conquer" or enemies when we make them our friends. But if that's the sense you mean, it's an obtuse way to frame it. ...Life cannot overcome the limits of inorganic forces. It depends upon being in harmony them completely.

dmb says:

I think my explanation was quite clear and you're just being intentionally obtuse for the fun of it. It shows a lack of sincerity, I think. 

"Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of inorganic nature... There is no direct scientific connection between mind and matter. ...Our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived." (LILA)


By contrast, Krimel said:
That's life. It arises mysteriously when you mix earth, air and water in sunlight.


dmb says:

Really? You're stick to your reductionist guns, eh? You do realize that this kind of reductionist scientific materialism is central to the problem that the levels are mental to solve. Once again, you're simply offer the problem as an alternative to the solution. This shows a lack of comprehension as to what the problem is.  		 	   		  
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