[MD] The social and intellectual strongholds.

[skutvik at online.no]

Ron

3 Mar:

Bodvar before
> > For the umpteenth time "the SOL" is just an acronym for the 
> > interpretation that says that the intellectual level is the S/O
> > distinction, but this is MOQ's view of intellect.

Ron:
> which level is MoQ viewing this from?

>From its meta-view of course.
 
Bodvar:  
> > Intellect itself knows no Quality context's so from its  internal view
> > (i.e. SOM)  social value is as you say: subjective, superfluous,
> > meaninglesss ..etc. because it is JUST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS  

 Ron:
> So how does value enter into the SOL interpretation? you imply an
> external view,  but from where? there are only four levels of static
> definable quality and MoQ which you state is reality. If reality is
> indefinable, one can't really say anything about MoQ, anything that is
> said is static pattern and s/o.

Value enters by the Reality=Quality=DQ/SQ postulate. This can't be 
proved (as little as the S/O postulate can) only by showing that this 
metaphysical arrangement makes for a paradox-free existence does it 
earn its laurels. The dynamic part is indefinable, but a lot can be said 
about the static part.    

> But how can intellectual value be different than an intellectual 
> pattern. S/O is the value of the intellectual level.

I'm not all sure what you ask or object to. But to repeat: Pirsig did not 
define ANY level. Inorganic, biological and social are self-evident and 
so is intellect, it DOES mean the ability to distinguish between 
subjective emotions and  objective reason, but for some - um - reason 
it has come to mean all mental activity. So, the S/O as intellect is no 
oddball notion but solid MOQ.    
 
> How will MoQ control intellect when it is out of intellect?

The levels can only be controlled by a new level, thus intellect can only 
be checked by the MOQ as something beyond - out of - intellect. This 
level-like relationship between the 4th static level and the "system" it is 
part of is a bit strange, however it's not every day an upheaval like this 
takes place.     

> what is it going to use? not intellect that would be subordinating an
> upper level  to a lower level, which goes against your SOL.  

Going back a couple of steps, society controls biology by making 
organisms social entities, intellect controls "society" by making its 
values into objects of intellectual study. Likewise the MOQ has made 
the subject/object split into a static subset of itself  called "intellect". 
Nothing goes against the SOL because it is the MOQ! 

Bodvar