[MD] The Level of Intellectual Quality

[gav]

apologies marsha for my petulance - just pissed off wasting time quibbling over definitions and other pedantry...


--- On Tue, 9/3/10, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [MD] The Level of Intellectual Quality
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Received: Tuesday, 9 March, 2010, 2:17 PM
> so where does censorship fit into the
> scheme of things? i thought it would have been a social
> pattern no? so by eliminating the g.o.d. word (god i hope he
> didn't hear me - i might get oppressed) everything is better
> eh? i say 'why stop there!?"....let's ban 'pain' and
> 'disgruntled' and 'disaffected' and 'unhappy' .... hey!!!!!!
> i think i am onto something
> 
> i hate to break it to you guys folks but i fear our heads
> have become wedged well and truly up our asses
> 
> 
> 
> bye
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 9/3/10, gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: gav <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [MD] The Level of Intellectual Quality
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Received: Tuesday, 9 March, 2010, 2:01 PM
> > 
> > should we drop 'truth', 'the market', 'freedom',
> 'america'
> > as well then
> > 
> > it's a fucking word
> > 
> > meaning is contextual 
> > 
> > jesus i am so over this shit
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 9/3/10, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [MD] The Level of Intellectual
> Quality
> > > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > > Received: Tuesday, 9 March, 2010, 1:25 PM
> > > Greetings,
> > > 
> > > Definition, connotation and history are
> intricately
> > > involved with patterning, and since the
> definition,
> > > connotation and history of the God-pattern is
> > associated
> > > with  "an evil social suppression of
> intellectual
> > and
> > > Dynamic freedom" it should be dropped.  Quality
> as
> > > presented in the Moq is a much better
> (untainted)
> > > label.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Marsha
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mar 8, 2010, at 5:05 PM, gav wrote:
> > > 
> > > > hiya,
> > > > 
> > > > "In the third stage, that of 'absolute
> religion',
> > the
> > > selfconscious subject and its object, Nature, are
> seen
> > as
> > > distinct yet essentially related, and at the same
> time
> > as
> > > grounded in an ultimate unity. And God is
> conceived
> > 'as the
> > > Being who is at once the source, the sustaining
> power,
> > and
> > > the end of our spiritual lives'. This does not
> mean,
> > > however, that the idea of God is completely
> > indeterminate,
> > > so that we are forced to embrace the agnosticism
> of
> > Herbert
> > > Spencer For God manifests Himself in both subject
> and
> > > object, and the more we understand the spiritual
> life
> > of
> > > humanity on the one hand and the world of Nature
> on
> > the
> > > other, so much the more do we learn about God who
> is
> > 'the
> > > ultimate unity of our life and of the life of
> the
> > > world'      <<<<<The MOQ would
> > > add a fourth stage where the term “God” is
> > completely
> > > dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression
> of
> > > intellectual and Dynamic freedom.   The MOQ
> > > is not just atheistic in this regard.  It is
> > > > anti-theistic. >>>>>"" 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > gav: so the term 'god' is dropped but the
> > concept
> > > remains? ie there is an ultimate unity of our
> life and
> > the
> > > world but we don't call it god we call it quality
> or
> > dynamic
> > > quality or tao or becoming or nagual or some
> other
> > word?
> > > > 
> > > > i am confused - seems like a cop out to
> > me...what
> > > difference what we call it? maybe that's why the
> > indians
> > > have hundreds of names for it....
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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