[MD] Trance Zen Dance

[John Carl]

Marsha,

I agree completely that self and object have no autonomous existence.


>
> And John, I prefer to use no-thingness, or better yet: emptiness, rather
> than
> nothingness.  Self and objects are empty of an autonomous existence.



My only question or challenge for you is prying into what uses you make of
emptiness?  As a goal?  As an explanation?  As a basis for understanding?

OR as an evasion?

When does emptiness come in real handy for you?

John the Pry-er




>
> On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:17 PM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > "Among the many forms in which human spirit has tried to express its
> > innermost yearnings and perceptions, music is perhaps the most universal.
> It
> > symbolizes the yearning for harmony, with oneself and others, with nature
> > and the spiritual and the sacred within us and around us. There is
> something
> > in music that transcends and unites. This is evident in the sacred music
> of
> > every community-music that expresses the universal yearning that is
> shared
> > by people all over the globe."
> >
> > -His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama
> >
> >
> > “I say we fill our guns full of love and we shoot for a new
> > dream<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXg6Cm_T9fk>
> > ”
> >
> >
> > Trance Zen Dance is as cool name for a band, imo.  They're a local
> > group<http://www.trancezendance.org/home.html>that have been around a
> > while so I've heard their names on the radio more
> > than a few times, listened to a CD of their music once, from a friend.
> >
> > We went on a quick trip to Reno, again, while my eldest daughter Em is
> home
> > for Spring Break.
> >
> > So what I've been thinking about, between hotels, shopping and eating, is
> my
> > last post to Marsha, and why religious, spiritual or psychological are
> all
> > inadequate terms for transcendent experience.  Even though transcendent
> > experience is in a sense, psychological, spiritual and religious.
> >
> > But really, what it is most of all is experience which takes us out of
> our
> > static conceptions of self.  Transcending our selves.
> >
> > The problem with labeling this experience "spiritual, religious or
> > psychological" is that those are definitions of what lies beyond our
> static
> > conceptions of self.  If we fully realize and conceptualize the
> transcendant
> > experience with these terms, then we block transcendance.  For then, our
> > "outside" has become part of our conceptual arrangemand we can no longer
> go
> > there in seeking escape from ourselves.
> >
> > We can't grasp transcendance.
> >
> > And I think Marsha knows this well, with her embrace of "nothingness".
>  But
> > even nothing becomes something when it's abstracted and aimed at.  So
> that
> > doesn't make me all that happy either.  For instance, my nothing is
> > completely different from your nothing, since my nothing is dropping MY
> > patterns and your nothing is dropping yours.
> >
> > And then there's the thing that Ron points to with his Emerson quote:
> >
> > Fresh truth, like the thoughts of genius,
> >
> > comes always as a surprise, as what Emerson
> > calls “the newness” (CW3: 40). He therefore
> > looks for a “certain brief experience, which
> > surprise[s] me in the highway or in the market,
> > in some place, at some time…” (Z: 253). This
> > is an experience that cannot be repeated by
> > simply returning to a place or to an object
> > such as a painting.
> >
> > A great disappointment of life, Emerson finds, is that one can only
> > “see” certain pictures once, and that the stories and people who fill a
> day
> > or an hour with pleasure and insight are not able to repeat the
> performance.
> >
> > -----
> >
> > I'm almost tempted to say, "duh", Ron and Emerson,  but that'd be
> repeating
> > a performance.
> >
> >
> > Our language,
> > Our language of creation,
> > Language of liberation,
> > We speak into that space
> > That we call the now
> > As we allow
> > To let truth
> > Teach us how.
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