[MD] Trance Zen Dance

[MarshaV]

 John,

To be among the awakening.   


Marsha
 
 
 
 

On Mar 27, 2010, at 12:03 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Marsha,
> 
> I agree completely that self and object have no autonomous existence.
> 
> 
>> 
>> And John, I prefer to use no-thingness, or better yet: emptiness, rather
>> than
>> nothingness.  Self and objects are empty of an autonomous existence.
> 
> 
> 
> My only question or challenge for you is prying into what uses you make of
> emptiness?  As a goal?  As an explanation?  As a basis for understanding?
> 
> OR as an evasion?
> 
> When does emptiness come in real handy for you?
> 
> John the Pry-er
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2010, at 8:17 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> "Among the many forms in which human spirit has tried to express its
>>> innermost yearnings and perceptions, music is perhaps the most universal.
>> It
>>> symbolizes the yearning for harmony, with oneself and others, with nature
>>> and the spiritual and the sacred within us and around us. There is
>> something
>>> in music that transcends and unites. This is evident in the sacred music
>> of
>>> every community-music that expresses the universal yearning that is
>> shared
>>> by people all over the globe."
>>> 
>>> -His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama
>>> 
>>> 
>>> “I say we fill our guns full of love and we shoot for a new
>>> dream<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXg6Cm_T9fk>
>>> ”
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Trance Zen Dance is as cool name for a band, imo.  They're a local
>>> group<http://www.trancezendance.org/home.html>that have been around a
>>> while so I've heard their names on the radio more
>>> than a few times, listened to a CD of their music once, from a friend.
>>> 
>>> We went on a quick trip to Reno, again, while my eldest daughter Em is
>> home
>>> for Spring Break.
>>> 
>>> So what I've been thinking about, between hotels, shopping and eating, is
>> my
>>> last post to Marsha, and why religious, spiritual or psychological are
>> all
>>> inadequate terms for transcendent experience.  Even though transcendent
>>> experience is in a sense, psychological, spiritual and religious.
>>> 
>>> But really, what it is most of all is experience which takes us out of
>> our
>>> static conceptions of self.  Transcending our selves.
>>> 
>>> The problem with labeling this experience "spiritual, religious or
>>> psychological" is that those are definitions of what lies beyond our
>> static
>>> conceptions of self.  If we fully realize and conceptualize the
>> transcendant
>>> experience with these terms, then we block transcendance.  For then, our
>>> "outside" has become part of our conceptual arrangemand we can no longer
>> go
>>> there in seeking escape from ourselves.
>>> 
>>> We can't grasp transcendance.
>>> 
>>> And I think Marsha knows this well, with her embrace of "nothingness".
>> But
>>> even nothing becomes something when it's abstracted and aimed at.  So
>> that
>>> doesn't make me all that happy either.  For instance, my nothing is
>>> completely different from your nothing, since my nothing is dropping MY
>>> patterns and your nothing is dropping yours.
>>> 
>>> And then there's the thing that Ron points to with his Emerson quote:
>>> 
>>> Fresh truth, like the thoughts of genius,
>>> 
>>> comes always as a surprise, as what Emerson
>>> calls “the newness” (CW3: 40). He therefore
>>> looks for a “certain brief experience, which
>>> surprise[s] me in the highway or in the market,
>>> in some place, at some time…” (Z: 253). This
>>> is an experience that cannot be repeated by
>>> simply returning to a place or to an object
>>> such as a painting.
>>> 
>>> A great disappointment of life, Emerson finds, is that one can only
>>> “see” certain pictures once, and that the stories and people who fill a
>> day
>>> or an hour with pleasure and insight are not able to repeat the
>> performance.
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> 
>>> I'm almost tempted to say, "duh", Ron and Emerson,  but that'd be
>> repeating
>>> a performance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Our language,
>>> Our language of creation,
>>> Language of liberation,
>>> We speak into that space
>>> That we call the now
>>> As we allow
>>> To let truth
>>> Teach us how.
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