[MD] Ideas and Gods

[Horse]

Right, let's get this crap over with now so I can get on with something 
more interesting.

On 02/05/2010 00:45, Bennett Jon wrote:
> Why don't you respond to my statements about moq or Pirsig, of which I have
> made many, instead of lecturing me, analyzing me, or talking down with a
> self-righteous attitude. Perhaps this shift in your personal paradigm might
> give you a clue of what I'm saying and why it is relevant.
>
> I have the right and ability to define for myself how to participate in this
> list, thank you very much.
>    

As the owner and administrator of this mailing list I do have a say in 
how you participate in these discussions, whether you like it or not - 
especially as I have received complaints both on and off list about you 
and your participation. That's my job here and I will do it in the way 
that I feel is best. You don't have any say in how I do that.

 From your first appearance on this list you've appeared slightly 
suspect to me. Your mis-spelling of Pirsigs name along with your initial 
post set off alarm bells. Then this:

"But I find most of his solutions in the moq simple, naive and sometimes 
just plain flaky. I don't see a great deal of originality either."

and

"[Pirsig] presents these issues in a readable way and has drawn many 
into the discussion. And he does have some good philosophical insights 
too. But largely, I find his solutions hopelessly naive and childish."

and

"To be honest, its Lila, I haven't absorbed, or even finished. But I've 
read some sheer nonsense in both books. Case in point, a mystic dynamic 
quality person gets off a hot stove faster than a scientifically 
inclined static based person."

and

"But he is a dilettante, or rank amateur, when it comes to philosophy."

and other such crap in various of your posts coupled with your constant 
manipulation of discussions to promote your own religious/theistic point 
of view convinced me that you have fuck all interest in either the MoQ 
or what Pirsig has to say. Your purpose in joining this list is to 
promote your own theistic ideology which is at odds with the MoQ. Every 
discussion you have been involved in so far has been twisted towards 
your particular brand of theism, showing that this, and not the MoQ, is 
what you will be discussing. If this is how you intend to define your 
participation in the discussions you won't be around for too long.
I'm sure you'll bring up how others participate on the forum in terms of 
their relevance to the MoQ and can say now that virtually every member 
currently participating on the list has shown, to me at least, that they 
are primarily here to discuss Pirsig's work. With you it is the other 
way around - you are casting the MoQ and Pirsig and his work in general 
as inferior to your theistic dogma and promoting this on a list which is 
meant for a particular area of discussion - i.e. the MoQ.
I doubt very much you and those you share your ideas with would be 
particularly tolerant of the presence of someone (me for instance) who 
walked into one your discussion sessions, declared that I couldn't be 
arsed to absorb read the major part of your religious texts, that  
'Jesis' is an unoriginal naive twat with flaky ideas but maybe had a few 
good ideas and a bit of a charming way with the odd word or two, dissed 
you all as a cult and insisted that any conversations from now on were 
to be on my terms and in ways that I wish to see them phrased. And yet 
this is almost exactly how you have conducted yourself so far.
So, a message to you.
Either sort yourself out and spend a bit less time promoting your own 
theistic dogma, stop twisting every conversation around to God and the 
wonders of the Christian point of view and generally try and behave as 
you would have others behave who come into your world and wished to 
communicate with you and your theistic circle of friends. Either that 
or, to misquote your precious holy tract, go forth and multiply. Because 
if you don't do one or the other then you will soon be history on this 
list anyway.

My house, my rules and if you don't like what I've had to say then tough.

Horse



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