[MD] Ideas and Gods

[Bennett Jon]

Horse,

I did not realize that you were the list owner-manager. In that case you are
right, it is your room and you have the right to set the rules.

It explains a lot to me about the general atmosphere, de(mean)or, and
comportment of the list now that I see who is in charge.

I think there are many open minded, thoughtful, intelligent and well read
members on the list, that I could have benefited from knowing and
corresponding with.

However, my chief point about the relationship of Christianity to freedom
vs. moq and freedom has been demonstrated very eloquently by your words and
the heart attitude they convey. And this is especially ironic since moq
claims freedom to be its ultimate principle and driving force. And yes, I
have known the deceitfulness,naivety and disingenuousness of that claim all
along.

So I will immediately cancel my subscription to the list. For this list does
not welcome all views or encourage, or even allow, freedom of thought and
speech.

You are right that you have the right to determine the what is said or what
is allowed in your room.

Any of you that care to have further correspondence with me are welcomed in
my room at: http://www.thelovingorganization.com/crisis/

Or you may contact me at my personal email at jonbenn at gmail.com

I include you too Horse in the invitation to my room.

All the best to you all,
Jon




On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Right, let's get this crap over with now so I can get on with something
> more interesting.
>
>
> On 02/05/2010 00:45, Bennett Jon wrote:
>
>> Why don't you respond to my statements about moq or Pirsig, of which I
>> have
>> made many, instead of lecturing me, analyzing me, or talking down with a
>> self-righteous attitude. Perhaps this shift in your personal paradigm
>> might
>> give you a clue of what I'm saying and why it is relevant.
>>
>> I have the right and ability to define for myself how to participate in
>> this
>> list, thank you very much.
>>
>>
>
> As the owner and administrator of this mailing list I do have a say in how
> you participate in these discussions, whether you like it or not -
> especially as I have received complaints both on and off list about you and
> your participation. That's my job here and I will do it in the way that I
> feel is best. You don't have any say in how I do that.
>
> From your first appearance on this list you've appeared slightly suspect to
> me. Your mis-spelling of Pirsigs name along with your initial post set off
> alarm bells. Then this:
>
> "But I find most of his solutions in the moq simple, naive and sometimes
> just plain flaky. I don't see a great deal of originality either."
>
> and
>
> "[Pirsig] presents these issues in a readable way and has drawn many into
> the discussion. And he does have some good philosophical insights too. But
> largely, I find his solutions hopelessly naive and childish."
>
> and
>
> "To be honest, its Lila, I haven't absorbed, or even finished. But I've
> read some sheer nonsense in both books. Case in point, a mystic dynamic
> quality person gets off a hot stove faster than a scientifically inclined
> static based person."
>
> and
>
> "But he is a dilettante, or rank amateur, when it comes to philosophy."
>
> and other such crap in various of your posts coupled with your constant
> manipulation of discussions to promote your own religious/theistic point of
> view convinced me that you have fuck all interest in either the MoQ or what
> Pirsig has to say. Your purpose in joining this list is to promote your own
> theistic ideology which is at odds with the MoQ. Every discussion you have
> been involved in so far has been twisted towards your particular brand of
> theism, showing that this, and not the MoQ, is what you will be discussing.
> If this is how you intend to define your participation in the discussions
> you won't be around for too long.
> I'm sure you'll bring up how others participate on the forum in terms of
> their relevance to the MoQ and can say now that virtually every member
> currently participating on the list has shown, to me at least, that they are
> primarily here to discuss Pirsig's work. With you it is the other way around
> - you are casting the MoQ and Pirsig and his work in general as inferior to
> your theistic dogma and promoting this on a list which is meant for a
> particular area of discussion - i.e. the MoQ.
> I doubt very much you and those you share your ideas with would be
> particularly tolerant of the presence of someone (me for instance) who
> walked into one your discussion sessions, declared that I couldn't be arsed
> to absorb read the major part of your religious texts, that  'Jesis' is an
> unoriginal naive twat with flaky ideas but maybe had a few good ideas and a
> bit of a charming way with the odd word or two, dissed you all as a cult and
> insisted that any conversations from now on were to be on my terms and in
> ways that I wish to see them phrased. And yet this is almost exactly how you
> have conducted yourself so far.
> So, a message to you.
> Either sort yourself out and spend a bit less time promoting your own
> theistic dogma, stop twisting every conversation around to God and the
> wonders of the Christian point of view and generally try and behave as you
> would have others behave who come into your world and wished to communicate
> with you and your theistic circle of friends. Either that or, to misquote
> your precious holy tract, go forth and multiply. Because if you don't do one
> or the other then you will soon be history on this list anyway.
>
> My house, my rules and if you don't like what I've had to say then tough.
>
> Horse
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
> — Frank Zappa
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