[MD] Ideas and Gods

[John Carl]

oh.  never mind.  Dang I should read more thoroughly before just popping off
any old answer.  (to Adrie, previous to this)

Oh well.  I'm a blurter.  what can I say.

good riddance, btw.  hated the bastard.  ignore everything I said.

He won't be missed.

John

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bennett Jon <jonjbenn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Horse,
>
> I did not realize that you were the list owner-manager. In that case you
> are
> right, it is your room and you have the right to set the rules.
>
> It explains a lot to me about the general atmosphere, de(mean)or, and
> comportment of the list now that I see who is in charge.
>
> I think there are many open minded, thoughtful, intelligent and well read
> members on the list, that I could have benefited from knowing and
> corresponding with.
>
> However, my chief point about the relationship of Christianity to freedom
> vs. moq and freedom has been demonstrated very eloquently by your words and
> the heart attitude they convey. And this is especially ironic since moq
> claims freedom to be its ultimate principle and driving force. And yes, I
> have known the deceitfulness,naivety and disingenuousness of that claim all
> along.
>
> So I will immediately cancel my subscription to the list. For this list
> does
> not welcome all views or encourage, or even allow, freedom of thought and
> speech.
>
> You are right that you have the right to determine the what is said or what
> is allowed in your room.
>
> Any of you that care to have further correspondence with me are welcomed in
> my room at: http://www.thelovingorganization.com/crisis/
>
> Or you may contact me at my personal email at jonbenn at gmail.com
>
> I include you too Horse in the invitation to my room.
>
> All the best to you all,
> Jon
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>
> > Right, let's get this crap over with now so I can get on with something
> > more interesting.
> >
> >
> > On 02/05/2010 00:45, Bennett Jon wrote:
> >
> >> Why don't you respond to my statements about moq or Pirsig, of which I
> >> have
> >> made many, instead of lecturing me, analyzing me, or talking down with a
> >> self-righteous attitude. Perhaps this shift in your personal paradigm
> >> might
> >> give you a clue of what I'm saying and why it is relevant.
> >>
> >> I have the right and ability to define for myself how to participate in
> >> this
> >> list, thank you very much.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > As the owner and administrator of this mailing list I do have a say in
> how
> > you participate in these discussions, whether you like it or not -
> > especially as I have received complaints both on and off list about you
> and
> > your participation. That's my job here and I will do it in the way that I
> > feel is best. You don't have any say in how I do that.
> >
> > From your first appearance on this list you've appeared slightly suspect
> to
> > me. Your mis-spelling of Pirsigs name along with your initial post set
> off
> > alarm bells. Then this:
> >
> > "But I find most of his solutions in the moq simple, naive and sometimes
> > just plain flaky. I don't see a great deal of originality either."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "[Pirsig] presents these issues in a readable way and has drawn many into
> > the discussion. And he does have some good philosophical insights too.
> But
> > largely, I find his solutions hopelessly naive and childish."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "To be honest, its Lila, I haven't absorbed, or even finished. But I've
> > read some sheer nonsense in both books. Case in point, a mystic dynamic
> > quality person gets off a hot stove faster than a scientifically inclined
> > static based person."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "But he is a dilettante, or rank amateur, when it comes to philosophy."
> >
> > and other such crap in various of your posts coupled with your constant
> > manipulation of discussions to promote your own religious/theistic point
> of
> > view convinced me that you have fuck all interest in either the MoQ or
> what
> > Pirsig has to say. Your purpose in joining this list is to promote your
> own
> > theistic ideology which is at odds with the MoQ. Every discussion you
> have
> > been involved in so far has been twisted towards your particular brand of
> > theism, showing that this, and not the MoQ, is what you will be
> discussing.
> > If this is how you intend to define your participation in the discussions
> > you won't be around for too long.
> > I'm sure you'll bring up how others participate on the forum in terms of
> > their relevance to the MoQ and can say now that virtually every member
> > currently participating on the list has shown, to me at least, that they
> are
> > primarily here to discuss Pirsig's work. With you it is the other way
> around
> > - you are casting the MoQ and Pirsig and his work in general as inferior
> to
> > your theistic dogma and promoting this on a list which is meant for a
> > particular area of discussion - i.e. the MoQ.
> > I doubt very much you and those you share your ideas with would be
> > particularly tolerant of the presence of someone (me for instance) who
> > walked into one your discussion sessions, declared that I couldn't be
> arsed
> > to absorb read the major part of your religious texts, that  'Jesis' is
> an
> > unoriginal naive twat with flaky ideas but maybe had a few good ideas and
> a
> > bit of a charming way with the odd word or two, dissed you all as a cult
> and
> > insisted that any conversations from now on were to be on my terms and in
> > ways that I wish to see them phrased. And yet this is almost exactly how
> you
> > have conducted yourself so far.
> > So, a message to you.
> > Either sort yourself out and spend a bit less time promoting your own
> > theistic dogma, stop twisting every conversation around to God and the
> > wonders of the Christian point of view and generally try and behave as
> you
> > would have others behave who come into your world and wished to
> communicate
> > with you and your theistic circle of friends. Either that or, to misquote
> > your precious holy tract, go forth and multiply. Because if you don't do
> one
> > or the other then you will soon be history on this list anyway.
> >
> > My house, my rules and if you don't like what I've had to say then tough.
> >
> > Horse
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production
> > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid."
> > — Frank Zappa
> >
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