[MD] Reading & Comprehension

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Andre, All.

14 May. :

I had brought an argument that nullified yours and that released this 
childish tantrum, no arguments just charges of being impossible and 
not true to Mr Pirsig. I am true to the MOQ that's all I care about, It's a 
fantastic new tool that breaks out of the academic chains. There 
seems to be just these two option: wild accusations or silence. I asked 
Horse to answer how anything else than the S/O intellect can explain 
its control of social vale and he clammed shut. I knocked down DMB's 
argument (of various philosophers' INTELLECTUAL criticism of SOM 
excludes the SOL) and he shut up. There is no way - from MOQ's 
premises - to overturn the SOL because it IS the MOQt. Come back 
when you have something sensible to say.

Bodvar  





          










  :


> Bodvar, the thing is that you have started to think for yourself too
> soon, after your so called 'epiphany' of your own first reading of ZMM
> and following this the raping of the entire sequence: the MOQ. Mr.
> Pirsig has devoted 45 odd years of his life to Quality, wrote two
> great books pointing the finger at it, appeared on tape and DVD. I
> have spent the past 3 years seriously devoting myself to learning to
> understand the MOQ as MR. Pirsig has conceived it.
> 
> Mr. Pirsig took 4 years to write ZMM. Am I going to make a judgement
> about its contents after two readings?
> 
> Mr. Pirsig took seventeen years to develop the second book, LILA, in
> which he took all his time and put in all his energy to work out the
> deductive implications of ZMM ( may I remind you, under very difficult
> circumstances!). Should I contend myself with complete understanding
> after the second reading of it...despite the fact that it has given me
> 'epiphanies' i.e. insights which were so named because reading it,
> things began to 'fit'?
> 
> Save me your sermonizing Bodvar. I really think that you have a
> serious problem. You are so fixed on your SOL that it isn't funny
> anymore. It is pathetic. To 'fit' your interpretation to suit the MOQ
> you are twisting and turning and bending and contorting things in a
> way that leaves the MOQ unrecognizable.
> 
> Your SOL does not fit the MOQ, it does not follow the events described
> in ZMM, you completely misunderstand. For the past 13 years or so
> people of high and low caliber have pointed yourto your
> misunderstandings and misinterpretations...all to no avail. Even Mr.
> Pirsig himself has told you directly...but you are so convinced and
> influenced by the so called revelations of your own, one time epiphany
> ( you said you were very screwed up at the time) that you have quite
> literally stopped learning, you have entangled yourself in incredible
> static patterns of convictions that you do not see your way out of
> them anymore because they are the reality for you. A wonderful example
> of the Cleveland Harbour Effect Mr. Pirsig talks about.
> 
> And you have been in this for the past thirteen years or so.
> 
> Don't tell me when to start thinking for myself. I will start doing
> this when I have understood what I am talking about and before I do so
> I want to know exactly what Mr. Pirsig meant to convey by his MOQ.
> Once I understand, I can begin to learn to play games with it...see
> whether in follows my own dharma or whether IT needs re-adjusting (for
> myself).
> 
> You, my friend, are totally lost in your own interpretation and no
> matter what anyone says, you will not budge one iota of an inch. I
> think this is sad and pathetic.
> 
> Do not expect me to respond to your nonsense anymore, event hough I
> would like to because of the influence you appear to have on this
> discuss on some other contributors. Instead of saying I should think
> for myself, you should ask, what I think Mr. Pirsig means by this or
> that... and not what does Bodvar say that Mr. Pirsig meant, should
> have meant, said, or should have said, or intended to say. And then
> correcting Mr. Pirsig himself about what he should have said.
> 
> My conviction Bodvar (you have your SOL): Bodvar does not have one
> iota of an idea about what the message of both ZMM and LILA is!
> Absolutely NONE.
> 
> Closed.
> 
> 
> 
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