[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[MarshaV]

Mary, 


Hi Mary,  

For me, understanding the nature of ALL patterns made the big difference in my 
world view.  Undermining the belief in an independent self and inherently existing 
objects changes everything.  That patterns are ever-changing, relative, interdependent 
and impermanent, moves ones life to a different level.  The four levels becomes a 
bridge to move between the old s/o-view and the new value-view.  It also helped 
that I was motivated to try to understand Emptiness.  It was a head-banger to be sure.
Funny thing is I didn't know anything about Buddhism until a few years ago.  I thought
that you rubbed Buddha's stomach if you wanted good luck.   Makes me laugh to 
remember this.   


Marsha

 





On May 31, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Mary wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
>> Hi Mary,
>> 
>> 
>> I would ask if both inductive and deductive logic are included?  I
>> think
>> they both should be represented in the fourth level.  And I might
>> consider
>> whether fourth-level patterns come with their own intrinsic,
>> unquestionable
>> authority?
>> 
> [Mary Replies] 
> Agree on all points.  One 'authority' has effectively been replaced by
> another.
> 
>> While I think the fourth level is SOM all the way.  I hold the level
>> structure
>> lightly.  To me the nature of all patterns has had a far greater
>> impact.
>> 
> [Mary Replies] 
> Exactly!  The definition of the Intellectual Level, though, is essential to
> understanding the MoQ.  I don't think it's possible to grasp the enormity of
> the implications inherent in a worldview of Value while clinging to the
> notion that the Intellectual Level is more than SOM.
> 
> Best,
> Mary
> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 30, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Mary wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> I think your definition agrees with mine, but would welcome comments.
>>> 
>>> I-SPOV's:
>>> 
>>> The set of patterns of value which state that subjects and objects
>> are the
>>> fundamental reality of the world and Quality is at best a property of
>>> subjects or objects and at worst nothing more than an opinion.
>>> 
>>> I-SPOV's say it is bad to accept a belief just because an authority
>> figure
>>> (political, religious, or otherwise) tells you so, since the only
>> things
>>> which can be known as fact as those things which can be proven by
>>> observation or experimentation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> On Behalf Of MarshaV
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:45 AM
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Hi Bo,
>>>> 
>>>> I've added the word 'rational' to my definition of the Intellectual-
>>>> spovs.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value:
>>>> 
>>>> Reified concepts and the rules for their rational manipulation.
>>>> Intellectual
>>>> patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of
>> independence,
>>>> or
>>>> 'thingness'. The fourth level is a formalized subject/object (SOM)
>>>> level
>>>> where the subjective is supposedly stripped from the experience.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
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