[MD] Reading & Comprehension

[Mary]

Hi Marsha,
This is so very well put.  I can't add to it or subtract from it.  The MoQ
is a relief.

But did you have to tell me that rubbing the Buddha's belly won't bring me
good luck?  :(

> Hi Mary,
> 
> For me, understanding the nature of ALL patterns made the big
> difference in my
> world view.  Undermining the belief in an independent self and
> inherently existing
> objects changes everything.  That patterns are ever-changing, relative,
> interdependent
> and impermanent, moves ones life to a different level.  The four levels
> becomes a
> bridge to move between the old s/o-view and the new value-view.  It
> also helped
> that I was motivated to try to understand Emptiness.  It was a head-
> banger to be sure.
> Funny thing is I didn't know anything about Buddhism until a few years
> ago.  I thought
> that you rubbed Buddha's stomach if you wanted good luck.   Makes me
> laugh to
> remember this.
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 31, 2010, at 10:02 AM, Mary wrote:
> 
> > Hi Marsha,
> >
> >> Hi Mary,
> >>
> >>
> >> I would ask if both inductive and deductive logic are included?  I
> >> think
> >> they both should be represented in the fourth level.  And I might
> >> consider
> >> whether fourth-level patterns come with their own intrinsic,
> >> unquestionable
> >> authority?
> >>
> > [Mary Replies]
> > Agree on all points.  One 'authority' has effectively been replaced
> by
> > another.
> >
> >> While I think the fourth level is SOM all the way.  I hold the level
> >> structure
> >> lightly.  To me the nature of all patterns has had a far greater
> >> impact.
> >>
> > [Mary Replies]
> > Exactly!  The definition of the Intellectual Level, though, is
> essential to
> > understanding the MoQ.  I don't think it's possible to grasp the
> enormity of
> > the implications inherent in a worldview of Value while clinging to
> the
> > notion that the Intellectual Level is more than SOM.
> >
> > Best,
> > Mary
> >
> >>
> >> Marsha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 30, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Mary wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marsha,
> >>>
> >>> I think your definition agrees with mine, but would welcome
> comments.
> >>>
> >>> I-SPOV's:
> >>>
> >>> The set of patterns of value which state that subjects and objects
> >> are the
> >>> fundamental reality of the world and Quality is at best a property
> of
> >>> subjects or objects and at worst nothing more than an opinion.
> >>>
> >>> I-SPOV's say it is bad to accept a belief just because an authority
> >> figure
> >>> (political, religious, or otherwise) tells you so, since the only
> >> things
> >>> which can be known as fact as those things which can be proven by
> >>> observation or experimentation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mary
> >>>
> >>> On Behalf Of MarshaV
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:45 AM
> >>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> >>>> Hi Bo,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've added the word 'rational' to my definition of the
> Intellectual-
> >>>> spovs.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Intellectual Static Patterns of Value:
> >>>>
> >>>> Reified concepts and the rules for their rational manipulation.
> >>>> Intellectual
> >>>> patterns create false boundaries, giving the illusion of
> >> independence,
> >>>> or
> >>>> 'thingness'. The fourth level is a formalized subject/object (SOM)
> >>>> level
> >>>> where the subjective is supposedly stripped from the experience.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Marsha
> >>>>
> >>>> ___
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >>
> >>
> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> >> Archives:
> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html
> >
> > Moq_Discuss mailing list
> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> > Archives:
> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> > http://moq.org/md/archives.html
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> 
> Moq_Discuss mailing list
> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
> Archives:
> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
> http://moq.org/md/archives.html