[MD] Betternes - 4 levels of!

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Hi Ron,
My opinion was not requested, but I admire your attempt to place a stake in
the ground.  It is often easier to say what a thing is not rather than what
it is.  Of course any such placement of attributes should always be seen as
an approximation and not as encompassing.  Not this, not that is indeed
stating what it is.  There is meaning in the concept of meaninglessness.
 But is seems somewhat self-serving and not expansive.  Expansion of meaning
does indeed take some risks, but so long as nobody is painted into a corner,
it can continue to expand, and not become petty.

Sorry for the intrusion.  I'll sit back and listen.

Mark

>
> I probably should not write down why I believe some hold,
> rather doggedly to the statement that Dynamic Quality
> is unknowable and indefineable and to the drawn conculsion
> from that statement that it is meaningless to try.
> In my opinion one can't, no matter how hard they try to
> reduce it to one whole complete concept, yet, I get the feeling that THAT
> is exactly the kind of thing going on when the idea of DQ is
> defended in such a way. Also, I feel the neti, neti, explanation
> the "not this" not that" feeds into a type of nihlist stereotype
> often projected on Pirsigs work. I understand it from an objective
> context of nothing is an absolute whole, but within our own ranks
> of Quality context, it takes on a different dynamic and becomes
> Nihlism, a point of view that asserts meaninglessness over betterness.
> I can understand why someone would choose an explanation in which
> life is meaningless over an explanation that asserts that life is nothing
> but meaningful and that is pain in ones life, the mistakes we have made
> the inadequacy we feel, it's easier to deal with if there is no meaning
> to it, but if betterness is introduced, then there is some accountability
> for your actions and that can be very painful.
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, November 6, 2010 4:49:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Betternes - 4 levels of!
>
> Dmb:
>
> If Ant makes a distinction between Quality and value, I strongly suspect
> the
> interesting part would be the "why" and the "what for".
>
> Andre:
> Agreed dmb and point taken. I'm off to La Palma for a break. Computer stays
> home, 'The Writings of William James' A Comprehensive Edition by McDermott
> in
> the bag.
>
> Cheers
>
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