[MD] [Bulk] Re: Humanism

[MarshaV]

On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:40 PM, 118 wrote:

>> Marsha:
>> B Alan Wallace reminds us:  "The origin of doctrine of the two truths is
>> found in a teaching given by the Buddha on a mountaintop in northeastern
>> India called Vulture's Peak.  There he first expounded on emptiness, and
>> made the statement "Form is emptiness and emptiness is form.  Note that
>> "form" is considered relative truth and "emptiness"  ultimate truth in this
>> system."
>> 
>> [Mark]
>> 
> I have not problem with what you are stating above.  What I want to point
> out is the trouble with words as such.  Buddha did not write anything,
> neither did Jesus, or Socrates, and anything that the most recent accepted
> prophet from the wrote he claimed were not his words but divine ones.
> Therefore they were not his opinion.  

Marsha:
There is nothing to know and no one to know it.  


> All of these people understood the
> traps which words can set, and preferred to preach directly.  Those who
> wrote down the words did so within their own interpretation.  Also, when we
> relate to the teachings of Buddha, we are relating to a translation of such
> into another language.  So we have two translations one coming from the
> original writing and one coming from the translation.

Marsha:
But there is nothing to know and no one to know it. 


> 
> Finally, we have the translation by Wallace, which he goes on to explain in
> his own words.  As such, it is difficult to really know what Buddha was
> thinking or trying to say.  Needless to say, translations such as found in
> the Bible are to be expected since a philosophy or religion must be
> pertinent to the vernacular or understanding of the time.  The underlying
> awareness may remain constant, but the thoughts and words are always
> changing.
> 
> The use of emptiness is a good one.  The sole arising of emptiness can be
> questioned and interpreted in its absoluteness.
> 
> I know less than you,

Marsha:
There is nothing to know and no one to know it.  Who knows less?   

Within the radical experience, the meditative state, the direct NOW, there is 
no right, no wrong, no intellectual competence, no translations, no claims, 
no divine one, no opinion, no people, no preaching, no words, no interpretation,
no philosophy, no religion too, no me, no you, and no Buddha.

If you do not like B. Alan Wallace's words, that's okay.  I doubt that he will be 
upset, but I don't know for sure.   



Marsha 






 
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