[MD] Philosophy and Abstraction

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Hi Matt,

For me an indirect experience would be one that one heard of, or one of
living vicariously.  The mental experience would be direct, but the physical
experience would be indirect.  In a way, we indirectly understand exactly
what someone is expressing as their experience, because we cannot be in
their heads.  But this is a given.  Our personal understanding of what we
are hearing is still direct.  This is probably why words on paper seem
indirect, since we are never sure what the original experience was that
wrote them.  However, the act of reading is directly in real time with
Quality, there is no delay.

Mark

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Matt Kundert <pirsigaffliction at hotmail.com
> wrote:

>
> Yeah, it's this notion that, under the typical understanding of what it
> means to distinguish between "direct" and "indirect" experience, one
> would have to count abstraction as just as direct as experience as
> any other that I've been working on articulating, most recently under
> the rubric of "isolation."
>
> > Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:56:08 -0800
> > From: ununoctiums at gmail.com
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] Philosophy and Abstraction
> >
> > Hi Matt,
> > It is interesting how we view abstraction as something different from the
> > scene abstracted from.  I think this is something of an illusion, perhaps
> > provided by the concrete nature of books.  Certainly the abstraction is
> > somewhat simplified, but the process of abstraction is as real as any
> other
> > adventure in life; the process of abstraction is no different from
> > parachuting.  It is done in the moment and consuming of the present.
> >  Abstraction is an art just as much as playing the guitar.  Trying to
> > understand somebody else's abstraction may seem a bit removed.  But even
> > that is in real time like listening to a concert.
> >
> > Mark
>
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