[MD] The Dynamics of Value

[Alexander Jarnroth]

I would rather say that "a logic" is a specified way of assigning
relationships among what is termed "entities". In formal logic, which is a
Boolean algebra, as mentioned in another context, you have the two
operators, or relationships, "and" and "or" - entities which values can
either be one (unity) or zero (that is true or false) - and the complement
(negation) to a given statement. Implications, that is "if p then
q"-statements, could be viewed as "not-p or q".
I think these other logics are intelligible enough to be termed "logics"
even though you can't formalize them in the same way.

I came, however, to think about another thing concerning labels and values,
in the case, though, in relation to set theory, which is equivalent to
formal logic. But to put it simple, arithmetic concerns values, but algebra
concerns labels. So you could say that you assign labels, then abstract
them, perform operations on them, and then you could reassign values to the
labels any way you want. Thus, a mathematic concept derived from some
setting, could most often find applications in other quite different
contexts.
Talking about other values, these abstract concepts must be intellectual
values, but also, somehow, correspondence to other values: Boolean algebra
being a good example.
With words, however, it's quite different, because if you try to do the same
with words you would get the logic of poetics, which have a social meaning,
but most often lack correspondences to the outside of the social sphere (but
perhaps not, if combined with the logic of practice, which would be a kind
of expressive mapping from the psychosocial sphere to the external world).
I think there actually can be some things into this. Pirsig himself tries to
use the logic of poetics in some of his work (this reconstructed
Indo-European being rather poetic, than etymological - probably there has
never actually been anything like "proto-Indo-European" - it's just a
constructed set of references, which could be useful in comparative
linguistics).

/A

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Hi A,

Thanks for the response and wonderful ideas.

Yes, I do not want to get into how logic can be defined, so I use it only in
terms of its cause and effect, or if/then, as directed by words based on
assumptions.  I suppose one could describe a type of logic coming from
poetry, but I prefer just to use such a term in its quasi-scientific sense.
 Ritual could be interpreted as logical but, this just confuses things for
me.  Of course, that is limiting the definition, but just makes it simpler.
 Other kinds of logic can certainly contain a modifier such as you present
with the term poetic logic.

We have discussed memes in this forum, but I don't think anyone has brought
up Falon Gong, but I have to say, I have not read the complete history of
MOQ.  For me labeling can be seen as posts in the ground which are then
interconnected with strings to form a web.  And what a beautiful web it is!
 The important thing for me to keep in mind, is that in the end, this web is
not connected to anything, but floating and growing on its own.  And, of
course, what is the spider?

The web itself is based on so called intuition.  The view I take is that all
subject object metaphysics is indeed fruitful in terms of creating meaning
and thus imparting reconciliation with what we are presented with.  However,
it should be viewed in that context and not pretend to be something more.
 We are dealing with analogies and analogies of analogies.  Yes, technology
should not be abandoned, we are still in primitive times and have only just
begun.  We do, however, need to take a break now and again, and let wisdom
catch up.

You will also notice that sometimes Quality is brought in to justify certain
views or systems rather than to describe them.  I believe this should also
be viewed with skepticism.

Cheers,
Mark