[MD] The MOQ differemce

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On 24 Sep 2010 at 11:23, MarshaV wrote:

> Platt:
> "Patterns" bother me. They presume subjects looking at ordered objects. Even 
> "experience" suggests the S/O division. Instead I would like to see "valuing" 
> substituted for "experience," "consciousness," "awareness" and "perception." -- 
> valuing Dynamically (creatively) or statically (predictably). Then the world of 
> things become static values and the act of painting becomes Dynamic.value 
> creation, motivated by betterness. 

Marsha:
'Subjects looking' is a patterned way of thinking.  No such thing; only static 
patterns of value moving through a field of DQ.  The value is held together 
by repetition through time and across individuals.  At least that 's how I 
understand.  Lila is an accumulation of ever-changing patterns intersecting 
with DQ. 

Platt:
I don't think "patterns" add anything. In fact, they obscure the value 
universe. Why not just say, "No such thing, only static values moving through a 
field of DQ." And, "Lila is an accumulation of ever-changing static values 
intersecting with DQ."  Does inserting "patterns" add anything? 

Marsha:
 For me painting can be static or dynamic, depending.  I liked that 
Bacon said, "The paintings should be a re-creation of an event rather than a 
reproduction of an object."  That seems a dynamic approach.

Platt:
I like the dynamic approach which means having a vague idea in mind at the 
beginning of a painting and then watching to see if the process of painting  
(the event)" produces anything of value. Most often in my case, not. 

Marsha:
Betterness?  Again I wonder about Bacon's disturbing images 're-creating 
suffering'. 
I wonder about doing that.  Is there betternerss in painting suffering?  Maybe 
it's best 
not to think about it - just paint.

Platt:
Maybe the painter has to suffer to produce anything of value. As Pirsig said, 
"Suffering is the negative face of the Quality that drives the whole process." 
Certainly suffering the consequences of bad decisions is a great moral teacher. 

Anyway, I like the idea of painting as an event--just respond to what appears 
on the canvas as it evolves, like the process of living..   

Platt:
>> How can we here promote the "artistic consciousness" that precedes thought 
that 
>> gives us the delight of life? 
> 
> Marsha:
> Good question.  I remember SA having started a thread of haiku poems.  Even to 
> try was a movement towards understanding.  Who didn't try?
> 
> Platt:
> Yes, that's the ticket. Dynamic creation of value within a static value 
> framework.   
> 
>> Besides great sex I mean.
> 
> Marsha:
> Hmmmm.   
> 
> Platt;
> Is that an expression of afterglow?

Marsha:
Is there an e-motive to represent 'I demure'.' 

Platt:
The proper response for a public forum. .