[MD] X = no-self

[rapsncows at fastmail.fm]

Marsha,

I will clean up my questions.


> >>>> 
> >>>> Marsha:  
> >>>> I am a collection of ever-changing, interdependent, inorganic,
> >>>> biological, social and intellectual static patterns of value entangled
> >>>> within a field of DQ.  
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> [Tim]
> >>> Marsha, I like the update to 'entangled within a...", but I think that
> >>> 'field' might bring in associations that you don't intend (EM field...).
> >> 
> >> Marsha:
> >> John is responsible for the 'entanglement' update.
> > 
> > [Tim]
> > by 'John', then, you mean that pattern within yourself which you call
> > 'John' for pragmatic reasons, so as not to lead to too much confusion,
> > right?
> 
> Marsha:
> Right.   John, too, is a collection of patterns.  I've probably bumped
> into 
> only a very few.

[Tim]
the key part of this question was: *within yourself*.  'John' is
collection of patterns within the collection that is you.  You say: "I
am a collection of ... patterns [snippage]"; and within this collection
is a sub-collection you have called 'John' for pragmatic reasons (or
whatnot).  Is this right?  The point of this is, another way, you
recognize the pattern you have called 'John' as internal to you, in line
with your admittal that you are not aware of any pattern that is not
included in this collection - which collection we call Marsha for
pragmatic reasons (or whatnot).


> >>> [Tim] Question 1: are you / can you be, aware of anything that is not included
> >>> in this 'collection'?
> >> 
> >> Marsha:
> >> Aware?  My answer is no.  There may very well be all sorts of
> >> unrecognized 
> >> patterns included in the collection but outside awareness means outside 
> >> awareness.  That would be an excellent reason, though  to cultivate a
> >> more 
> >> subtle awareness.
> > 
> > [Tim]
> > yes, outside awareness means outside awareness.  But on the primary
> > front, just to be sure, do you hold any belief, hope, or expectation of
> > a pattern external to the above mentioned 'collection'?
> 
> Marsha:
> Just to be sure, I don't hold any-thing.  These patterns seem to process
> through 
> consciousness: ever-changing and interconnected.  By expectation of an
> external 
> pattern do you mean a reified fantasy.  Not lately.  If I've
> misunderstood, you will 
> need to re-explain your point and question.  

[Tim]
fair enough, weak-ish effort on my part.  Perhaps I have gotten at my
point best in the above.  It was the same point.  But...

let me ask rather:

part a: you can account for the word 'expectation' in some intellectual
way, right?  For instance, and I wonder how you would say this: Amidst
the collection of patterns that is Marsha, has there been, from time to
time, an intellectual (or other classification if you prefer) pattern of
value that we might call 'expectation of xxxx' (again, for similar
pragmatic reasons that have permitted us to call Marsha, and to call
intellectual, social, biological, or inorganic, etc.)?  For instance, an
expectation that you will eat your favorite dinner on your birthday this
week?  OR the like.

then, assuming yes, part b: Amidst the collection of patterns that is
Marsha, is there now (or has there been from time to time) an
intellectual (or other classification if you prefer) pattern of value,
of expectation, which expectation is that there is, or should be, some
pattern of value that is not included *within* the collection you/we
call Marsha?

Tim
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