[MD] The Dynamics of Value

[Jan-Anders]

Hi Mark

You're pretty right about these conceptual connections with older 
traditions. We have the holy Trinity too. Usually I try to avoid these 
connections with religons and isms as there is also much old garbage 
included.

Quality in ZMM differs from the deeper definition of Quality used in Lila.

In ZMM Quality can be seen as pure Value while Quality in Lila can be 
considered as the Balance between the three aspects of Value. Any time 
an event is unbalanced in any of the three aspects (internal value), 
Quality is active to either balance, close or divide the event.

States of unbalance triggers action and the following action is 
depending on in which aspect the unbalance is at most. If something is 
missing (low value in mass) a search for more is activated. If something 
is wrong with the pattern a correction is the solution. If something is 
wrong with the value another valuator is needed or a remake, a change in 
the mass and/or the pattern gives another valuable expression. Working 
solutions are permanented as static patterns out from this dynamic pattern.

Dr. Frankenstein sent out Igor to search for a brain for his experiment 
and Igor didn't care much what type of brain he found and that ignorance 
saved the tension of the story.

In fact, Quality will never be perfect, it is always something wrong 
with the woild.

Jan-Anders


moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org wrote 2011-01-16 07.18:
> Hi J-A,
>
> Thanks for the interlude.  I have been following your conception of
> quality since you brought it up in the Equations posts.  I find it
> quite interesting and rhetorically convincing.  If I may add some
> support to your triad, in chapter 42 of Tao Te Ching, it is stated
> that Out of the Tao, one is born, from one comes two, from two comes
> three, from three comes all things.  The Three from which all things
> come could be interpreted from your triad of physical, pattern, and
> value.
>
> Another interesting tie in comes from the Upanishads.  It is my
> understanding that according to them, Maya (or what we call reality)
> is composed of three gunas.  These three are: Tamas (veiling), Rajas
> (projecting), and Sattva (revealing).  This is explained in a page I
> have referred to before about the Equations of Maya
> (http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html).  There may be a
> connection between your triad and this other one, which is something
> Dobson tries to do.
>
> What I was wondering is why do you call this Dynamic Quality?  It
> would appear that only one of your three (value) is related to
> Quality.  For me, Quality is the difference between things, but more
> than that, Quality creates the things by separating them.  Instead of
> focusing on the objects, another perspective would be to focus on what
> is between them that defines them.  We could term this a force of
> relativity, but that word has already been taken, so Quality is what I
> use.  Now, Quality has been used by many to mean many things.
> However, I feel it is important to keep to the original meaning of the
> word.  I believe that Pirsig called it Quality for a reason.  I am
> curious on your opinion of this.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark