[MD] The Dynamics of Value

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Hi J-A,
Yes, indeed, always on the road to a more perfect union.  I would only
disagree with you on the difference between ZMM and Lila.  What can be
intuited from ZMM is a bit deeper than that from Lila, concerning
Quality.  I think that is why ZMM was so popular.  I find Lila to be a
bit superficial in its attempt, in that it sketches a picture that
seems too construed.  But, I prefer a narrative approach where I can
place myself in the protagonist's place, so it may just be a
preference. Perhaps I did not understand Lila.

Indeed, three is a holy number, a stool cannot stand on two legs.  The
tripods of reality.

Cheers,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Jan-Anders <jananderses at telia.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark
>
> You're pretty right about these conceptual connections with older
> traditions. We have the holy Trinity too. Usually I try to avoid these
> connections with religons and isms as there is also much old garbage
> included.
>
> Quality in ZMM differs from the deeper definition of Quality used in Lila.
>
> In ZMM Quality can be seen as pure Value while Quality in Lila can be
> considered as the Balance between the three aspects of Value. Any time an
> event is unbalanced in any of the three aspects (internal value), Quality is
> active to either balance, close or divide the event.
>
> States of unbalance triggers action and the following action is depending on
> in which aspect the unbalance is at most. If something is missing (low value
> in mass) a search for more is activated. If something is wrong with the
> pattern a correction is the solution. If something is wrong with the value
> another valuator is needed or a remake, a change in the mass and/or the
> pattern gives another valuable expression. Working solutions are permanented
> as static patterns out from this dynamic pattern.
>
> Dr. Frankenstein sent out Igor to search for a brain for his experiment and
> Igor didn't care much what type of brain he found and that ignorance saved
> the tension of the story.
>
> In fact, Quality will never be perfect, it is always something wrong with
> the woild.
>
> Jan-Anders
>
>
> moq_discuss-request at lists.moqtalk.org wrote 2011-01-16 07.18:
>>
>> Hi J-A,
>>
>> Thanks for the interlude.  I have been following your conception of
>> quality since you brought it up in the Equations posts.  I find it
>> quite interesting and rhetorically convincing.  If I may add some
>> support to your triad, in chapter 42 of Tao Te Ching, it is stated
>> that Out of the Tao, one is born, from one comes two, from two comes
>> three, from three comes all things.  The Three from which all things
>> come could be interpreted from your triad of physical, pattern, and
>> value.
>>
>> Another interesting tie in comes from the Upanishads.  It is my
>> understanding that according to them, Maya (or what we call reality)
>> is composed of three gunas.  These three are: Tamas (veiling), Rajas
>> (projecting), and Sattva (revealing).  This is explained in a page I
>> have referred to before about the Equations of Maya
>> (http://quanta-gaia.org/dobson/EquationsOfMaya.html).  There may be a
>> connection between your triad and this other one, which is something
>> Dobson tries to do.
>>
>> What I was wondering is why do you call this Dynamic Quality?  It
>> would appear that only one of your three (value) is related to
>> Quality.  For me, Quality is the difference between things, but more
>> than that, Quality creates the things by separating them.  Instead of
>> focusing on the objects, another perspective would be to focus on what
>> is between them that defines them.  We could term this a force of
>> relativity, but that word has already been taken, so Quality is what I
>> use.  Now, Quality has been used by many to mean many things.
>> However, I feel it is important to keep to the original meaning of the
>> word.  I believe that Pirsig called it Quality for a reason.  I am
>> curious on your opinion of this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>
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