[MD] The other side of Value

[118]

Hi Joe,
I see psychology as a metaphysics since it present a reality.  That is
a metaphysics of the mind.  There are many different forms of
psychology metaphysics, and I prefer that which is presented by Carl
Jung.  It agrees with MoQ in many ways.

In my opinion, metaphysics is the study of what IS, or Reality.  I
would agree that enlightenment does not fit within Western psychology.
 However, if you read the Pali Canon, there is much Eastern psychology
there.  This does include what is termed "enlightenment".  In our
Western culture we call this a paradigm shift.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Mark and all,
>
> I do not agree that psychology is a metaphysics.  Psychology is a
> metaphysics only by analogy.  Psychology is the discipline for studying the
> manifestations of sentient beings.
>
> Metaphysics is the study of order, including psychology. Evolution is a
> description of levels in existence. Heroic enlightenment is beyond the usual
> psychological levels and posits evolution to higher emotional and higher
> intellectual levels for intelligibility.
>
> The definition for 1 at an intellectual level, does not deny further levels
> in the evolution of consciousness to higher emotional and higher
> intellectual levels, the purview of heroes.

[Mark]
I am not sure if consciousness evolves. For me consciousness is akin
to Quality.  It's static presentation may appear to evolve, and the
brain may slowly evolve to present consciousness in a new way.  Have
you read Heros of a Thousand Faces by Campbell?  Good treatise of the
subject.

Mark
>
>
> On 6/8/11 8:40 PM, "118" <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Joe,
>> I would take this a step further and say that psychology is a
>> metaphysics.  Would you agree?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ham,
>>>
>>> The foundation for all learning disciplines like psychology is metaphysics.
>>> You have to be able to learn to learn.  Metaphysics set the table.  I guess
>>> I am a bit cynical from my brothers constantly telling me as a child that
>>> girls don't think they feel.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Certainly emotional feelings are a component of value sensibility as they
>>>> are in all experience.  Since Value is the affinity of the negated self for
>>>> its estranged Source, the emotions involved are typically love, awe, or
>>>> desire.  They express the state of the psyche on contemplating beauty,
>>>> goodness or virtue which experientially represent our need for spiritual
>>>> (i.e., essential) fulfillment and inspire us to seek their ultimate Source.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I've answered your question, Joe.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Ham
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