[MD] Awareness and consciousness in the MOQ

[David Harding]

Hi Andre,

> David:
> All things, including the term Quality, are a demarcation of outlines or limits. In fact, every thing is.
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> Andre:
> Quality, the Tao, the Buddhist " Nothingness" has 'limits? Is some sort of 'demarcation'? What , then lies outside of it? (which, by definition (!) it must). If we are talking 'from the world of the Buddha' nothing lies outside of Quality. It is limitless, is outside (prior to) time, outside (prior to) space.
> 
> Pirsig seeks to preserve this and that's why, from a static point of view DQ is a referring term.

Yes.. There are two perspectives of the MOQ. You're right that from a Dynamic understanding there are no limits.  But we are on a philosophical discussion board now and we are talking about ideas and concepts and words and all these are static things with limits. From a static point of view, while the term DQ is referring, it is still a static quality reference and thus not Dynamic Quality.

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> David:
> Any word that you use, any demarcation of outline or limit is a restriction of the ultimate Dynamic Quality.
> 
> He doesn't say he is 'partially' defining it by outlining a Metaphysics.
> 
> Andre:
> No, I say that any definition is partial, an approximation, a finger pointing to. You can never 'get' it. Any definition of DQ is not DQ. It is sq. You can indefinitely define DQ and never 'get' it. That is why DQ is not 'part' of the MOQ. It is a referring term.'

Right I agree with this.  However as I say above the referring term is yet more static quality. This is my point.

-David.