[MD] Ham's Value Rigidity?

[Horse]

Er.... Chaps

Now we've got this off our chests could we please get back to philosophy 
and the MoQ?
It is very interesting, I agree, but.....

Ta

Horse

On 21/06/2012 06:51, Ham Priday wrote:
> Hey, Ant --
>
> On Wed, 6/20/12, 10:33 AM, "Ant McWatt" <antmcwatt at hotmail.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Ham replying June 16th to Ant's question "did you see any
>> of these nuts [meaning Islamic extremists] on your recent visit
>> to Chincoteague Island? :
>>
>>> No, but I did see a lot of road signs warning that "Jesus is coming"
>>> and advising that "He is the only way to Heaven". (Chincoteague is
>>> a predominantly Christian town.)
>>
>> Ant McWatt commented:
>>
>> Well then, I hope you're giving Obama your support?!
>>
>> Certainly not!  And what is the relevance of Christianity to Obama, pray
>> tell?  (Frankly, I'm not sure he's Christian.and have my doubts he's 
>> even
>> American.)
>>
>> Ant McWatt comments:
>>
>> That's an interesting response in its forceful sentiment, Ham.
>> From reading President Obama's autobiographical "Audacity
>> of Hope" (which I'd recommend as a "good read") it's clear
>> the American public are fortunate to have an intellectual in the
>> White House (for a change). He obviously takes the time to
>> think things through in a balanced and careful way. (Compare
>> how the American economy is edging ahead of most others
>> thanks to Obama's leadership).
>
> Ant, as a Brit with little exposure to American politics, do you 
> really want to get into a discussion with me on Barack Obama?  I 
> suspect you're pulling my leg, for if you've had occasion to read my 
> weekly Value Page, you would know that my views are conservative all 
> the way.
>
> Obama has been a disaster for America.  This has nothing to do with 
> his intellect or alleged "balanced and careful" deliberation.  Rather, 
> it has to do with his leftist ideology absorbed from early Marxist 
> training, his Keynsian "pump priming" approach to restoring the 
> economy, and his demonstrably anti-capitalist agenda.
>
> For the past four years, we Americans have been subjected to the first 
> imperial presidency in our history ...a Commander in Chief of dubious 
> origin who has never been on a company payroll and has managed to keep 
> only one of his promises to the voting public—to transform America 
> (into a welfare state and nationalizing everything he could get 
> control of), while making a mockery of "government transparency", job 
> creation, fiscal accountability, border security, and  international 
> relations.
>
> Currently he has invoked "executive privilege" to exempt his attorney 
> general Eric Holder from a contempt of Congress charge for failing to 
> turn over documents pertaining to the "Fast and Furious" coverup.
>
> And you hope I'm giving Obama my support!?
>
>> Ant McWatt comments:
>>
>> Well, Obama joined his local Christian church during the
>> beginning of his political career in Chicago. If he's not sincere
>> in his Christian belief then he certainly wouldn't be the first
>> politician to use religion/traditional family life/charity work
>> as a "badge of honour".
>
> Did you ever read what Obama's minister of 20 years preached in that 
> church?
>
>> Ant McWatt comments:
>>
>> Ham, I'm surprized you'd even bring up such nonsense in a
>> philosophical discussion group. I suppose at least this issue
>> gave us a good laugh at Donald Trump's expense at last years
>> Correspondents Dinner at the Washington Hilton:
>>
>> “Donald Trump is here tonight!” the President began amiably.
>> “I know that he’s taken some flak lately. But no one is happier,
>> no one is prouder, to put this birth certificate matter to rest
>> than The Donald.” Trump could be seen smiling. “And that’s
>> because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that
>> matter—like, did we fake the moon landing? What really
>> happened in Roswell? And where are Biggie and Tupac?”
>>
>> Trump’s smile was beginning to stiffen.
>> “All kidding aside,” Obama went on in a sober deadpan,
>> “obviously we know about your credentials and breadth of
>> experience.For example—seriously—in an episode of
>> Celebrity Apprentice, at the steak house, the men’s cooking
>> team did not impress the judges from Omaha Steaks,” the
>> president continued.  “And there was a lot of blame to go
>> around. But you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem
>> was a lack of leadership. And so ultimately you didn’t blame
>> Little John or Meatloaf. You fired Gary Busey. And these are
>> the kinds of decisions that would keep me up at night.” ...
>
> That makes funny copy for the liberal press, I suppose.  But, as 
> you'll recall, I didn't bring up Obama up in this discussion ...you did.
>
> Cheers 'n chuckles,
> Ham
>
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