[MD] belief

[MarshaV]

Horse,



On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:

> Hi Marsha
> That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise.
> I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to trick you into anything!
> 
> The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense to you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying.
> 
> As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying that the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states that Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = Reality.

First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on context.  But, I see the first view as representing a menu, and the second view representing actual food.  In the second view, I do not assume "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system)", but metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ...".   
 
 
Marsha 





> 
> Cheers
> 
> Horse
> 
> On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote:
>> Horse,
>> 
>> I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily into either/or choice.  It depends on context.  But you are the moderator and if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, I'll say no.  I prefer, though, my two-view explanation.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the question.
>>> 
>>> So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate.
>>> 
>>> Do you believe MoQ = Reality.
>>> 
>>> Very simple. Yes or No?
>>> 
>>> Horse
>>> 
>>> On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote:
>>>> Hi Horse,
>>>> 
>>>> I wrote to Andre:
>>>> I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ.  There is the MoQ as the intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it:  Value(unpatterned/patterned).
>>>> 
>>>> In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static).  Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, principle.
>>>> Marsha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you saying that
>>>>> 
>>>>> MoQ = Reality
>>>>> 
>>>>> or
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quality = Reality?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Horse
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>> dmb,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> dmb:
>>>>>>> Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's remains confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, i.e. the distinction between concepts and reality, between static quality and Dynamic Quality.
>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>> Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ..."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005')
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  Marsha
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