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Hi Horse,

Of course MoQ does not equal Reality.  It is a metaphysics for Christ's sake.  What a silly question!

What would be your answer to your question?


Mark

On Oct 31, 2012, at 3:35 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

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> Horse,
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> On Oct 31, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
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>> Hi Marsha
>> That's fine - there were no threats etc., implied or otherwise.
>> I just wanted a straight answer to a straight question - I'm not trying to trick you into anything!
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>> The problem with your previous answer, I found, was that while it made sense to you it wasn't clear, to me, what you were saying.
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>> As a matter of interest, what do you see as the difference between saying that the MoQ is an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system which states that Quality = Reality (as per Pirsig) and that the MoQ (presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system) denotes that Quality = Reality.
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> First of all, 'MoQ', 'Quality' and 'Reality' are symbols, so it depends on context.  But, I see the first view as representing a menu, and the second view representing actual food.  In the second view, I do not assume "(presumably still as an Intellectual/Conceptual metaphysical system)", but metaphysics as _fundamental principal_, as in the RMP's statement "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ...".   
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> Marsha 
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>> Cheers
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>> Horse
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>> On 31/10/2012 09:48, MarshaV wrote:
>>> Horse,
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>>> I would prefer to prevaricate as I find some explanations do not fit easily into either/or choice.  It depends on context.  But you are the moderator and if the threat is to toss me off the list for not making such a choice, I'll say no.  I prefer, though, my two-view explanation.
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>>> Marsha
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>>> On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
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>>>> Yes Marsha I can read and I read your reply which was why I asked the question.
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>>>> So can you answer my question or will you continue to prevaricate.
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>>>> Do you believe MoQ = Reality.
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>>>> Very simple. Yes or No?
>>>> 
>>>> Horse
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>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:53, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>> Hi Horse,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wrote to Andre:
>>>>> I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ.  There is the MoQ as the intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it:  Value(unpatterned/patterned).
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>>>>> In the second view, I am saying that the Metaphysics of Quality denotes Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static).  Metaphysics as first, or fundamental, principle.
>>>>> Marsha
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>>>>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:32 AM, Horse wrote:
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>>>>>> Hi Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you saying that
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>>>>>> MoQ = Reality
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>>>>>> or
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>>>>>> Quality = Reality?
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>>>>>> Horse
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 30/10/2012 09:12, MarshaV wrote:
>>>>>>> dmb,
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>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:39 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> dmb:
>>>>>>>> Marsha stands firmly upon a paradox that she doesn't understand. She's remains confused as to the meaning of the MOQ's central distinction, i.e. the distinction between concepts and reality, between static quality and Dynamic Quality.
>>>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>>>> Here is the fundamental principle of the MoQ on which I totally agree.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "The Metaphysics of Quality's central idea [is] that the world is nothing but value ..."
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    (RMP, 'A brief summary of the Metaphysics of Quality, October 2005')
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Marsha
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