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[MarshaV]

Mark,

The last time that I checked, meaningless was not included in the definition of analogy.  


Marsha 





On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:51 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Now Marsha, my dear,
> 
> I have no intention of wiping out everyone else's.  Multiple realities can
> all exist side by side.  All I present are my views of reality through the
> paradigm of Quality.
> 
> If everything is analogy, then the word analogy has no meaning, since
> everything being analogy is just an analogy.  Like a snake eating its own
> tail it is a hopeless paradox which I do not think gets anywhere.  Perhaps
> that is the purpose, not to get anywhere.  Like dancing on a dance floor,
> there is nowhere to go.  Pretty existentialist, I might add.  That all is
> analogy is at the core of Existentialism.  Meaning has no meaning, as it
> were.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:41 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sure Mark, as you wipe out everyone else's.   It's all analogy, every last
>> bit of it, even yours.  Don't you just love the dance?
>> 
>> I take going into the mind to mean introspection (meditation), where one
>> actually watches thoughts come and go.  One gets to see firsthand the
>> nature of the little static tyrants.   If you're needing a quote to justify
>> the practice from a MoQ perspective:
>> 
>> Mark:
> I wouldn't call them tyrants unless one is sufferring. Buddhism assumes
> that people are sufferring and want to escape.  I guess Buddhism works for
> those people.  There are plenty of ways to escape though.  If you are
> sufferring, try Buddhism first, then maybe an aspirin.
> 
> Meditation is setting your thoughts free.  They do not belong to you, they
> cannot affect you.  They are just thoughts that your brain creates.  Just
> ignore them, there are more important things.
> 
> 
>> "The purpose of mystic meditation is not to remove oneself from experience
>> but to bring one's self closer to it by eliminating stale, confusing,
>> static, intellectual attachments of the past. "
>>          (LILA, Chapter 9)
>> 
>> And no, and I cannot turn my awareness towards the watcher so I will not
>> speculate in that direction.
>> 
>> Mark:
> I suppose Pirsig knows a lot about mystic meditation, so he can be an
> expert on that subject.  I believe every word he utters on the subject of
> mystic meditation; he is a world renouned mystic, rated in the top ten of
> mystics of all times.  He writes often of his mystical experiences in
> several journals, and is invited to speak often on the subject of mystic
> meditation.  I would dare say that he has a black belt in mystic meditation.
> 
> Now that I have read the quote, I can't help but believe that mystic
> meditation is exactly as he puts it.  I would never have guessed that the
> Truth could be so simple.  Thank you so much for that enlightenment, and
> let me know something else that Pirsig has written, to guide me along.
> I'll find a quote in Lila about something else, that you must believe,
> because Pirsig wrote it.  You can thank me then!
> 
> ha, ha, ha, another rogue wave!  What power I have!  I am God!
> Mark
>