[MD] Horse, Is this proper conduct?

[MarshaV]

Hello Joe,

Ahh yes, mom, apple pie, critical thinking and truth, a metaphysics of the obvious!  

 
Marsha


On Mar 16, 2013, at 9:12 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi MarshaV and All,
> 
> 
> On 3/16/13 2:01 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 15, 2013, at 3:11 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marsha,
>>> 
>>> If dynamic quality, reality, is unknowable why use the term?
>> 
>> Are you asking why RMP used language to explain the Metaphysics of Quality?
> 
> Hi Marsha
> 
> I guess I am stuck in questioning logic!  I do not know how to logical 
> express the unknowable.  Perhaps through analogy, metaphor, gesture.
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> There is a broad spectrum of the knowable.  What is unknowable describing?
>> 
>> Since you think it is Dynamic Quality is knowable, you describe it?
> 
> There is a difference between the indefinable and the unknowable.  I may not
> be able to use defined words to describe an unknowable, but I can use
> gesture, analogy, metaphor to achieve some meaning of indefinable reality.
>> 
>> 
>>> Limits of reality or limits of knowledge?
>> 
>> What are you referring to and in what context?
> 
> In Moq metaphysics knowledge is communicated through analogy, metaphor,
> gesture for DQ as well as words and definitions of SQ.
> 
>> 
>>> To discuss unknowable reality seems futile.
>> 
>> Okay.
>> 
>> 
>>> Supposing there is a broad spectrum to the unknowable, how can we discover
>>> it?  
>> 
>> To say the unknowable is a 'broad spectrum' seems to be assuming too much.
> Metaphysics accepts the indefinable.  Music, gesture, analogy, metaphor etc.
> are some ways to make myself understood.
>> 
>>> It seems to me discussion and unknowable are at odds unless you accept that
>>> indefinable and unknowable are synonymous.
>> 
>> This might be one way to think about indefinable and unknowable.
>> 
>> 
>>> DQ is indefinable. IMHO Unknowable reality stretches the discussion of DQ
>>> metaphysics to a leap of Faith.
>> 
>> It's a 'leap of faith' that when I wake up in the morning, put my feet on the
>> floor and stand up that I won't fall through the flooring.  And?
>> 
>> I was trying to open the door to Faith and Reason.
> 
>>> I would rather tweak rationality into the experience of indefinable
>>> DQ in consciousness rather than accept indefinable DQ as a leap of faith.
>> 
>> In considering a metaphysics - the nature of reality - I would prefer to dig
>> deep rather than settle for tweaking rationality.  I might consider that
>> "tweaking rationality" is best handled by holding static patterns of value as
>> hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true).
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
> 
> I don't want to abandon truth either!
> 
>> Joe 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/14/13 4:07 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings Joe,
>>>> 
>>>> I am perfectly satisfied with understanding the MoQ designating Reality =
>>>> Value(Dynamic(indivisible, undefinable and unknowable)/static(divisible,
>>>> definable and knowable))  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi MarshaV,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am too old (80 plus) to remember philosophy.  I want to jump immediately
>>>>> to an indefinable as the limit on an aging process.  DQ is indefinable,
>>>>> always new, so to speak, and I am alive!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Joe
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/13/13 11:30 PM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Joe,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wondered if you might agree with Nietzsche?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Compared with music all communication by words is shameless; words dilute
>>>>>> and brutalize; words depersonalize; words make uncommon common."
>>>>>>       (Nietzsche, Friedrich,  'Will To Power')
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> re fa la
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marsha
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Joseph  Maurer <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi MarshaV,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> IMHO How to describe a theory of knowledge in DQ/SQ experience?  DQ,
>>>>>>> indefinable self-consciousness along with definable SQ structure, enables
>>>>>>> self-directed activity.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SQ, defined reality, places the limit of definition on an indefinable DQ
>>>>>>> emotional self-consciousness.  Definitions aid communication.  Music is a
>>>>>>> more immediate less structured communication in its emotional origins.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What is logic?  The Intellect and freewill of activity are tied to a
>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>> limit, self-awareness.  I can't jump on my horse and ride off in all
>>>>>>> directions.  Logic describes limits on knowledge in the structure of self
>>>>>>> awareness DQ/SQ.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Music is an harmonious structure, more revealing in some ways in being
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> subject to SQ discipline than logic.  Music evokes more intensity in its
>>>>>>> indefinable emotional origins than intellectual logic.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/13/13 12:40 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Schopenhauer believed that the mediations of art in general, but
>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>> music, were more directly able to reveal the nature of reality than was
>>>>>>>> philosophy.
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