[MD] self-object patterning

[MarshaV]

Arlo,

On Oct 1, 2013, at 9:28 AM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:

[Marsha wrote]
I understand it to be the Buddhist (imho) view that the self-object (dualistic) point-of-view is perpetuated in two ways.  One is as acquired through learning, from family, friends and teachers, an informal system of philosophy or psychology - culture - that teaches that the person exists as an independent being and so do objects in the world exist as independent "stuff".  Through coming into contact with this type of education - mistaken view of life - we learn it and believe it as correct.  The second self-object (dualistic) point-of-view is innate and has been with us since the beginning of time.  It has travelled with human beings through our evolution and has become a part of how our consciousness (?brain?) has become a patterned function: the known and knower.  It is not easy and quite unnatural to overturn this conditioning. 

All static patterns of value have been molded by this [self-object (dualistic)] conditioning.

[Arlo]
More appropriate to say, "All MY static patterns of value have been molded by this [self-object (dualistic)] conditioning." That would be accurate. 

According to Pirsig, subject-object metaphysics is one historical category within an overall intellectual pattern of values. To claim that this dualism effects "all" static patterns of value is to simply re-introduce Bo's faulty ideas. I understanding this is just trolling behavior, but to reiterate- if that's what you believe, I think Bo has a forum set up to discuss this.

Horse- pay close attention.

Marsha:
Please reconsider the context of my statement.  I will admit, though, that my understanding is always constrained by incompleteness and cultural limitations and the limitations of my personality.  

 
Marsha