Physicist and philosopher suggest taking real patterns as objects, good idea, think I suggested that a few months ago: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Every-Thing-Must-Metaphysics-Naturalized-ebook/dp/B001DWGDWI/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408064242&sr=1-1&keywords=ladyman All the best MOQers David Morey