[MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

[John Carl]

I had a thought the other day Ian about this subject.  Help me to see if it
fits.

Terms like intellect and free will are tricky to define because they are
experiences, not definitions.

You experience intellect when you think in certain ways.  Trying to pin
that down exactly is a pain in the butt, but
the experience of doing it is plain and obvious.  Same goes with free
will.  It's not a real big problem unless you run
up against somebody who thinks everything that is real is definable.




On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Ian Glendinning
<ian.glendinning at gmail.com>wrote:

> When are we going to lose these pointless degenerate myths like "free will
> is undefinable" ffs?
>
> Free will is as well (un)defined as any other "object" in this real MoQish
> world.
>
> Still, I guess it helps to maintain the mysterious myth if your objective
> is to justify interminable gain-saying "argument" for as long as your
> academic career requires it.
>
> Ian
>  On 7 Jan 2014 20:10, "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andre and All,
> >
> > DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable!  A structure which supports indefinable
> > reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like
> > free-will
> > which remains outside of definition through freedom.   If I can't make a
> > mistake in what I choose I am not held responsible for my choice.
> >
> > I have to pay the consequences of the choice.  Free will makes manifest
> > metaphysical restraints for manifestation in the DQ/SQ structure.  Pardon
> > me
> > I am mistaken!
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/14 8:46 AM, "Andre" <andrebroersen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Joe to Andre:
> > > DQ experience itself is indefinable metaphysics.
> > >
> > > Andre:
> > > Huh?
> > >
> > > Joe:
> > > Consciousness of individuality coupled with life anchors a possibility
> > > for describing an experience of indefinable reality. Metaphysics MOQ
> > > accepts a reality of DQ/SQ experience in individuality. Sentient
> > > consciousness, freewill, upholds the awareness needed for DQ/SQ.
> Animals
> > > follow mechanical instinct.
> > >
> > > Andre:
> > > Sorry Joe but I have no idea what you are saying...what point(s)you are
> > > trying to make.
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