[MD] Post-Intellectualism

[Jan-Anders Andersson]

Andre and John

The rules for football evolved in the 19th century. At the beginning football actually was a war, a competition held on sundays between the young boys of the villages. The goal was to kick the ball onto the opponents church or municipal  building for ex. 
There were no limits for how many there could be ineach team but each had a captain on command and legal disputes was made up betwee those two.

Later, as the game caused some damage on buildings and crops football was to be played on a limited area. The referees stood besides and the captains had to ask them when the rules came into question.

Thus the intellectual level arose in the world if football.

> 27 jun 2014 kl. 15:45 skrev Andre <andrebroersen at gmail.com>:
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> John said to Dan:
> Jc: I have trouble with that, at least as it pertains to the 3rd and 4th. Society and Intellect are so intertwined - all intellect is predicated upon socially derived symbology and all social patterns have some sort of guiding 4th level metaphysical underpinnings of which they are unconscious. When you try and apply the analytical knife, the subject gets very slippery. Pirsig himself said when it comes to social patterns, it's hard to picture anything that isn't one.
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> Andre:
> To distinguish the social level from the intellectual level let me offer an example John. It is rather _simplistic_ but see it as a starting metaphor: imagine a game of football or soccer...the players are representing social patterns of value. There are rules to this game and codes of conduct. Enter the umpire. This is representative of intellectual patterns of value. The umpire keeps an eye on adherence to the rules of the game and the codes of conduct _of which the players are aware_. But that is not their prime objective. Their prime objective is to score points or a goal (fame, fortune and glory). All the umpire does is making sure the game is played within the rules and codes of conduct. Sometimes he or she acts/intervenes when an infringement or violation occurs. At other times he or she just watches to keep an eye on developments.
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> Now, are the players in competition with the umpire (as you claim)? NO!!! But the umpire is most definitely in conflict with the player(s)and vice versa (usually pleading innocence or ignorance) who commit an infringement or violate a rule.
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> Are they 'intertwined'? That depends on one's state of confusion. Can you still see the forest for the trees? Usually, as in the example, the dress is quite different and the umpire or referee has a whistle. That is how they are easily distinguished. If you do not know the game and wonder what this bloke or lass is doing with a whistle in their mouth? Just watch the game unfold and you'll soon find out.
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> So now, forget the bodies and the dress and the whistle and see patterns of value...social patterns and intellectual patterns. Are these patterns intertwined? That depends on how carefully you look. It may seem that way but they are not because we talk of two different sets of values.
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> (Perhaps here John you may want to consult Gregory Alvord's response to Anthony's PhD to be found at the robertpirsig site).
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> The rules of the game and codes codes of conduct(derived from)intellectual patterns of value.
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> A famous Dutch trainer/coach argued that soccer is war. (remember here the Geneva Convention where, even in wartime, there are codes of conduct based on intellectual patterns of value...justice, human rights etc). This is where, for example the International War Tribunal in The Hague finds its existence in[...not recognized by the USA by the way].
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> Hope this helps a little.
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