[MF] the way forward for MoQ discussion lists

[ian glendinning]

Hi folks ...

I already said that separate areas with distinct topics / rules would
be doomed without a high level of moderator management. Activity will
gravitate to wherever the feathers fly, or people will stay in the
area where they can interect with their favourite people, and miss-out
on others.

Whichever styles we use (mail-server / chat-forum) there are options
for individual / digest / filtered mail receipts and for on-line view
of current threads (with no outgoing mail)

I'm dead against introducing artifical delays / limits - at least
unless there is a more immediate conversational speed forum as well as
the strangled one. Which is back pretty much to MF and MD (One of the
main problems with the current MD is the existing unpredictable
delayes - leading to crossed-wires and confused dialogues.)

MD moderation should be morals and manners only. Real time
conversational - but people are allowed to say "shut up" if
individuals annoy - like real life :-)

MF can have delays / staying on thread subject rules / total no /
quantity of post, etc, but - managing non-hijacking of subjects will
involve human moderation. I've seen successful forums where 3 or 4
people share this load.

Another thing I said already, is that the moderator(s) need to have
other sanctions to apply besides simply cutting off. Warnings, reduced
access, idea.

Without active management I doubt any discussion forum can have the
kind of discipline some would like.

Ian

On 11/22/05, Wim Nusselder <wim.nusselder at antenna.nl> wrote:
> Dear Horse,
>
> You asked:
>
> > And if they don't want to move? What then? Should they be removed for
> having more to
> > say than others?
>
> If they don't move from their own accord, I don't propose forcing them in
> any way. Then we simply have to look for other solutions.
>
> > Once MD is moved to the new server there will be little delay in posts
> coming through.
> > About the same delay as MF currently - i.e. about 30 seconds or so.
>
> What I am suggesting (and Jonathan too, if I understood him correctly) is
> building in a standard delay of say 24 hours despite the technical
> possibilities to pass posts on almost immediately. I think the software
> should offer that possibility even without moderation.
>
> > The only effective way (IMO) to reduce email traffic on MD is to provide
> other lists with
> > common areas.
>
> We could try, but as MF didn't have that effect, I doubt whether more MF's
> would do the trick.
>
> > Asking members to reduce the number of emails they send each day is
> > unlikely to work - it hasn't in the past and is unlikely to do so in the
> future. This has
> > already been tried and if you look at the rules it does specify a maximum
> number of
> > posts.
>
> Rules don't work, I agree. Delaying replies, does, as MF showed... My  idea
> would be to experiment with the length of the delay (without moderating and
> without limiting the subject) so as to reduce traffic enough and not too
> much.
>
> > If we stay with the a single list the alternative is to either moderate
> members
> > individually or remove them from the list.
>
> Which is impractible respectively undesirable, I agree. I hope the
> alternative I suggest is now clear.
>
> With friendly greetings,
>
> Wim
>
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